[Chris of Khi]

Okay I believe the pot needs sweetened. Donations just don't occur like they used to. Mainly because they can't be bought for the tune of 18 mill or less like they could. I would like to see more donations, as I assume Kevin would, and propose we figure out some way to make them a more integral part of the game once again.

Two ideas I came up with were these:

1. Allow some sort of larger transfer of money to the nation donating to another nation by the nation paying with $CN. FOr example, maybe allow them to set up a contract and then allow the game to simply transfer the funds without having to worry about aid slots and time. This would allow donations to go for 20-30 mill or higher but it would still be manageable by the Large nation buying the $20 donation.

2. Allow greater rewards for the Donations, which in turn would provide a better incentive, more cash, to be paid to the small nation... A large nation might be willing to have to devote 10-20 days of aid slots if they were getting 300 infra, or some other larger bonus.

[uaciaut]

I pay with tech for my donations generally (i.e. i send cash to sellers who send tech to whom i tell them to). And many do it the same way, so idk how well this would work tbh.
Either way although it seems to be less of a headache i don't think it would be a good thing to encourage donations to become more expensive (in-game wise) because 18mil is well too much as it is.

Also i'd be all for donations giving more cash than 400k (they should give like 5*daily collection + 500k)

[Chris of Khi]

I am no expert on how to fix this, I just think we need to find a way to make these more common as they have kind of died off.

[NeoGandalf]

uaciaut, on Apr 13 2009, 06:33 AM, said:

I pay with tech for my donations generally (i.e. i send cash to sellers who send tech to whom i tell them to). And many do it the same way, so idk how well this would work tbh.
Either way although it seems to be less of a headache i don't think it would be a good thing to encourage donations to become more expensive (in-game wise) because 18mil is well too much as it is.

Also i'd be all for donations giving more cash than 400k (they should give like 5*daily collection + 500k)

How is $18 mill too much? I'm an average sized nation with 8K infra and a donation is worth over $60 mill to me...

[Aimee Mann]

uaciaut, on Apr 13 2009, 06:33 AM, said:

Also i'd be all for donations giving more cash than 400k (they should give like 5*daily collection + 500k)

Definitely agree with this, the figure of 400k is outdated and doesn't mean much to anyone buying a donation.

I like the idea of making it easier to pay in-game for donations too. Maybe a donation could provide the donating nation and the nation donated to with a couple of temporary bonus aid slots for the duration of the month to help facilitate faster $CN payment. Okay, okay, I'm rubbish with ideas... but something to make paying them off in-game easier might encourage more donations. Right now when buying one you face a drain on aid slots, and when selling one it takes a while for you to receive your bounty.

This post has been edited by Aimee Mann: 13 April 2009 - 03:02 AM

[lonewolfe2015]

Aimee Mann, on Apr 13 2009, 05:07 AM, said:

Definitely agree with this, the figure of 400k is outdated and doesn't mean much to anyone buying a donation.

I like the idea of making it easier to pay in-game for donations too. Maybe a donation could provide the donating nation and the nation donated to with a couple of temporary bonus aid slots for the duration of the month to help facilitate faster $CN payment. Okay, okay, I'm rubbish with ideas... but something to make paying them off in-game easier might encourage more donations. Right now when buying one you face a drain on aid slots, and when selling one it takes a while for you to receive your bounty.

Actually, I like the idea of the aid slot, but I think it should be something different. A Temp Aid slot for 15 days, with the aid expiring every 3 days between the donater and the donated. You could pay 15 mil in that time frame or 15mil/250tech, more than enough for a current donation.

However, there is a delicate balance here. Donations are meant to be difficult to obtain because you have to juggle slots. If we don't work on how they are paid, I suggest a scaled donation. 200 infra baseline, 100 tech baseline, and a scale for cash/land to make them worth the amount paid. Or just set a next level (25$ donations)

[ender land]

I've stopped doing donations because the benefit isn't worth it for me, I'd rather increase my amount of tech than get some infra :\

The opportunity cost for paying out 18M is 200 tech :\

[Chris of Khi]

the main issue seems to be that we need a way to allow a single large transfer of funds, but would have to find a way to not let it be manipulated...

[Lunagron]

I've never done a donation deal but, if I'm allowed to put my "10 cents in," I think this would generate more revenue than it currently is.

[Jack Shepard]

Donation Wonder...

Cost $250million

Allows a transfer of up to $25million through one extra aid slot which can only be used for this purpose, and can only be sent within 3 days of receiving a donation bonus to your nation.

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I have a feeling however this isn't what admin invisioned when he added donation to the game, people 'selling' them to others... so he may not embrace the idea... who knows...

Could mean a big time increase in donations during war time though, if you need war aid, drop $20 on someone and get $25mill...

[jayson almighty]

something needs to be done, but i have a feeling that if people can get more money through some "super aid slot" that it might drive the price up higher than it already is

[iMatt]

The price *should* go up. I agree and support the suggestion to allow a link to come up after someone donates to your nation which says:

"So-and-so has donated to your nation. You have the opportunity to pay this person up to X amount of money directly without using any aid slots, but only up to 48 hours after you read this message" or something.

If Admin wants to increase donations, then he should look into this, for it would increase his revenue.

But as expressed earlier, juggling aid slots is something one must have skill to do, so it's one less thing to have to juggle, making the game easier, less challenging.

I'm still for it though.

[Steelrat]

You can´t use infinite amount of cash send by an "extra" aid slot or any other way as you can circumvent the 15m/18m aid restrcitions ingame to easy.
Think about a new Nation donate to an old Nation and there is no limit, bummmmm 1billion cash send to a 1 day new nation in 1day..... no way. To much abuse potential.

Invent Donation slots
You have the same number of Donation slots for multiple sending to the donating Nation as you have standard slots.
Donation slots have the same limits as Standard slots.
Donation and standard aid slots are not interchange able.
Donation slots can be used only to a Nation who donated to you within 30days after the donation so you can use all your Donation aid slots 3x times at best.
Donation slot expires every 9days (to avoid the February problem and give some space for delays)


Not necassarly needed but if you want restrictions.

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All your Standard aid slots are blocked/restricted while you use Donation slots.
All of your remaining open Standard aid slots are completly blocked if you send both cash and tech to the donating Nation.
Your remaining open Standard aid slots are restricted for cash if you only send cash to the donating Nation you can still recieve/send tech as usual.
Your remaining open Standard aid slots are restricted for tech if you only send tech to the donating Nation you can still recieve/send cash as usual.

Example
6 Standard aid slots (DRA), you have 6 Donation slots.
All 6 Donation slots are used for 3m + 50tech, all open Standard aid slots are blocked.
All 6 Donation slots are used for 3m, i can still use any current open Standard aid slot for tech to recieve/send.
All 6 Donation slots are used for 50tech, i can still use any current open Standard aid slot for cash to recieve/send.

5 out of 6 Donation slots are used for 3m + 50tech, 5 open Standard aid slots are blocked, 1 can be used as usual, no restriction.
5 out of 6 Donation slots are used for 3m, i can still use any current open Standard aid slot for tech to recieve/send.
5 out of 6 Donation slots are used for 50tech, i can still use any current open Standard aid slot for cash to recieve/send.

Not using up all your Donation slots won´t have any benefit, you can´t use them for Standard aid.

This post has been edited by Steelrat: 14 April 2009 - 07:25 AM

[energizer]

I fail to see any present problem here... If you are saying that donation deals arnt that common, then I must say you havent been looking in the right places. Almost everywhere I look there is a donation for sell, whether it'll be for tech (larger nations) or cash (smaller). So really, no point in changing donation deals right now seeing as how there are more important things to work on (no more aid slots? hm?)


and exactly how "sweet" do you want the pot to be? Right now If I were to buy a donation deal (at say 15 million), id be saving myself more then 40 million then if I were to purchase the things on my own. Purdy awesome if you ask me.

This post has been edited by energizer: 14 April 2009 - 09:23 AM

[JoshuaR]

Having an instant donation slot with some capped limit would encourage more donation sellers, as large nations wouldn't care about sending $25M. They just care about losing those valuable tech collector slots while they pay for donations. So the price would go up and hopefully then increase production.

[o ya baby]

Support anything that makes it easier to pay for donations.

[gambona]

As a donation seller, I love the idea of a "donation" aid slot. It takes forever to get paid under the current system, and sometime can take longer than a month to get fully paid, which delays subsequent donation deals.

[evilgm]

I would use a separate slot for donations if one were available. I don't do them anymore b/c of the lost tech deal opportunities...

[magicninja]

If I were Admin and the coding was possible I'd poll the community for the Fairest price $15-$24 million. I'd make a Donation aid slot that Could only be used for that amount of cash. Once the aid is sent to a nation in order to accept the aid a nation must Donate $20. Once the donation is complete the donating nation is credited with the cash. The slot clears on the 1st of every month.

That's cash only....paying by tech in a lump sum would be a bit more difficult of course. I wouldn't wanna send out 500 of my own tech. You may just have to stick to the tried and true method of sending to sellers to send to the donating nation.

[admin]

One option to help in this situation could be to add a new benefit of receiving a donation: A nation may send 2x the standard amount of foreign aid money for the remainder of the calendar month.