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Which Jesus is your Jesus? Found an Article on the Commonality of his Name Rate Topic: -----

#1 User is offline   Voodoo Nova 

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Posted 26 December 2008 - 11:58 PM

http://www.slate.com/id/2207398/?y=1

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Happy Birthday, Dear Yeshua, Happy Birthday to You!Was Jesus a common name at the beginning of the first century?
By Brian PalmerUpdated Wednesday, Dec. 24, 2008, at 7:31 AM ETOn Thursday, Christians will celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. Was the Christian Messiah the first to have that name, or were there a lot of Jesuses running around back then?

Many people shared the name. Christ's given name, commonly Romanized as Yeshua, was quite common in first-century Galilee. (Jesus comes from the transliteration of Yeshua into Greek and then English.) Archaeologists have unearthed the tombs of 71 Yeshuas from the period of Jesus' death. The name also appears 30 times in the Old Testament in reference to four separate characters—including a descendent of Aaron who helped to distribute offerings of grain (2 Chronicles 31:15) and a man who accompanied former captives of Nebuchadnezzar back to Jerusalem (Ezra 2:2).

The long version of the name, Yehoshua, appears another few hundred times, referring most notably to the legendary conqueror of Jericho (and the second most famous bearer of the name). So why do we call the Hebrew hero of Jericho Joshua and the Christian Messiah Jesus? Because the New Testament was originally written in Greek, not Hebrew or Aramaic. Greeks did not use the sound sh, so the evangelists substituted an S sound. Then, to make it a masculine name, they added another S sound at the end. The earliest written version of the name Jesus is Romanized today as Iesous. (Thus the crucifix inscription INRI: "Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum," or "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews.")

The initial J didn't come until much later. That sound was foreign to Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek, and Latin. Not even English distinguished J from I until the mid-17th century. Thus, the 1611 King James Bible refers to Jesus as "Iesus" and his father as "Ioseph." The current spelling likely came from Switzerland, where J sounds more like the English Y. When English Protestants fled to Switzerland during the reign of the Catholic Queen Mary I, they drafted the Geneva Bible and used the Swiss spelling. Translators in England adopted the Geneva spelling by 1769.

In contrast, the Old Testament was translated directly from the original Hebrew into English, rather than via Greek. So anyone named Yehoshua or Yeshua in the Old Testament became Joshua in English. Meanwhile, the holy book of the Syrian Orthodox church, known as the Syriac Bible, is written in Aramaic. While its Gospels were translated from the original Greek, the early scribes recognized that Iesous was a corruption of the original Aramaic. Thus, the Syriac text refers to Yeshua.

Bonus Explainer: What was Jesus' last name? It wasn't Christ. Contemporaries would have called him Yeshua Bar Yehosef or Yeshua Nasraya. (That's "Jesus, son of Joseph" or "Jesus of Nazareth.") Galileans distinguished themselves from others with the same first name by adding either "son of" and their father's name, or their birthplace. People who knew Jesus would not have called him Christ, which is the translation of a Greek word meaning "anointed one."



Thoughts on this?

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Posted 27 December 2008 - 12:08 AM

ah the truth. hilarious at times, annoying at others. I call this one of those hilarious times

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Posted 27 December 2008 - 12:16 AM

Meh. I already knew the general idea of the article. Doesn't make what he did any less amazing.

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Posted 27 December 2008 - 12:19 AM

View PostFlakAttack, on Dec 27 2008, 12:16 AM, said:

Meh. I already knew the general idea of the article. Doesn't make what he did any less amazing.


think you missed the point of the article...

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Posted 27 December 2008 - 12:31 AM

He was Jesus the Christ, not Jesus Christ... however that works out...

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Posted 27 December 2008 - 01:58 AM

Remember also that according to Qabalistic numerology, the Messiah and the Serpent of Genesis both add up to the same number.

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Posted 27 December 2008 - 02:02 AM

View PostPandaemonium, on Dec 26 2008, 11:58 PM, said:

Remember also that according to Qabalistic numerology, the Messiah and the Serpent of Genesis both add up to the same number.


What number?

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Posted 27 December 2008 - 02:04 AM

View PostSal Paradise, on Dec 27 2008, 09:01 AM, said:

What number?


358

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Posted 27 December 2008 - 02:17 AM

View PostPandaemonium, on Dec 27 2008, 01:58 AM, said:

Remember also that according to Qabalistic numerology, the Messiah and the Serpent of Genesis both add up to the same number.

I'll be honest, I have no idea what you are talking about. Number? What are you talking about?

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Posted 27 December 2008 - 02:38 AM

Hey-Soos? Amazing??? I must have entered another dimension.

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Posted 27 December 2008 - 03:39 AM

Nothing about Christian mythology and history is truly unique. I have to say though, kinda seems like a flame baiting thread.

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Posted 27 December 2008 - 04:01 AM

My Jesus is the one who rides with dinosaurs and shoots laser out of his eyes.

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Posted 27 December 2008 - 07:23 AM

View PostLord Frost, on Dec 27 2008, 12:18 AM, said:

think you missed the point of the article...

What point? That people at that time had the same name? OMG the edifice of Christianity will now come crashing down! If you think that than you are really self-delusional.

That's like saying "Scholars have learned that there were several people named George during the time of the American revolution. So which George crossed the Deleware?"

I mean honestly will you people, who claim to base your belief system on evidence, learn how to properly analyze and interpret evidence.

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Posted 27 December 2008 - 08:00 AM

Yet life goes on as normal.

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Posted 27 December 2008 - 11:29 AM

This discussion always makes me think of Samuel L. Jackson in Die Hard With a Vengeance:

"Why you keep calling me Jésus? I look Puerto Rican to you?"

"Guy back there called you Jésus."

"He didn't say Jésus. He said, "Hey, Zeus!" My name is Zeus."

"Zeus?"

"Yeah, Zeus! As in, father of Apollo? Mt. Olympus? Don't $%&@ with me or I'll shove a lightning bolt up your $@!? Zeus! You got a problem with that?"

"No, I don't have a problem with that."


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Posted 27 December 2008 - 11:53 AM

View PostSimon De Montfort, on Dec 27 2008, 07:23 AM, said:

What point? That people at that time had the same name? OMG the edifice of Christianity will now come crashing down! If you think that than you are really self-delusional.

That's like saying "Scholars have learned that there were several people named George during the time of the American revolution. So which George crossed the Deleware?"

I mean honestly will you people, who claim to base your belief system on evidence, learn how to properly analyze and interpret evidence.


problem is; we all know who George Washington is, as there was only one person with that name leading the Revolution.
Difference?
There wasn't anyone named Jesus Christ at the supposed time of ole Jesus. the article points out that there isn't a specific person when it comes to Jesus, since the name was apparently common. essentially, all you have is a guy with a made up name and deeds attached to it

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Posted 27 December 2008 - 11:53 AM

I don't see how this needed a thread.

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Posted 27 December 2008 - 11:56 AM

The basic message of this is that it pays to remember that the bible was not originally written in English, and was only assembled in 300 something AD. Most of it is translations, not all by accurate hands from various scripts in a large variety of languages.

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Posted 27 December 2008 - 12:15 PM

No serious scholar actually thinks that Jesus was a mythological figure. Even the idiotic Jesus Seminar thinks he was at the very least a real person.

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Posted 27 December 2008 - 12:56 PM

View PostLord Frost, on Dec 27 2008, 12:53 PM, said:

problem is; we all know who George Washington is, as there was only one person with that name leading the Revolution.
Difference?
There wasn't anyone named Jesus Christ at the supposed time of ole Jesus. the article points out that there isn't a specific person when it comes to Jesus, since the name was apparently common. essentially, all you have is a guy with a made up name and deeds attached to it

I don't really follow. There were indeed other Jesuses (basically Joshuas, a popular name). Christians only worship the one from the Bible and son of God. Nevermind that Jesus son of Joseph of Nazareth is roughly as specific as "George Washington", but Jesus isn't a "made up name."

If you have some sort of problem with Christianity to explain your vehement ignorance, why don't you start another thread and leave this one, which is about trying to say that Christians don't know whom they worship. Which is rather foolish.

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