[Starfox101]

So, I see tonight that another anti-Vox senate rule is in place.

Link to rule

"Your nation must be 30 days or older to elect Senators."

I'm not entirely certain how new this rule is, as it was only brought up tonight as the reset was today. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, but I think it's pretty clear who this harms most. We have many re-rolls and many players who are frequently re-rolling, and this rule removes our ability to run an effective senate campaign while utilizing the re-roll tactic.

Does anyone want to give me an explanation as to why this new rule was added and what justification there is for it?

I hate to say it, but it seems like just another way to keep the little guy, little.

[duffman04]

Don't see anything about this in the game update log

well thats interesting

[Mirreille]

I don't know, it seems to be more of something to prevent abuse of the voting system if anything, not simply anti-Vox. I honestly don't know how hard it is to keep a nation alive at that level. If your nation is simply serving as a means of voting as a protest, I don't see the issue. Can you tell me why Vox nations need to quit and re-roll all the time? They really can't pay their bills given they are in a state of war now? If a nation deletes, does it's vote for that period get deleted too, or no? I honestly don't know the answers to those questions.

[Elyat]

Mirreille, on Sep 13 2008, 01:46 AM, said:

I don't know, it seems to be more of something to prevent abuse of the voting system if anything, not simply anti-Vox. I honestly don't know how hard it is to keep a nation alive at that level. If your nation is simply serving as a means of voting as a protest, I don't see the issue. Can you tell me why Vox nations need to quit and re-roll all the time? They really can't pay their bills given they are in a state of war now? If a nation deletes, does it's vote for that period get deleted too, or no? I honestly don't know the answers to those questions.

Does the reason matter at all?

[Mobius 1]

I honestly don't see the point of this rule, except perhaps preventing "reroll abuse" or such, but I don't think even that is especially prevalent.

[Terra Extraneus]

You know, it would all be a whole lot better if I saw more input from 'you people' here in this thread: http://forums.cybern...showtopic=32623 instead of complaining when something doesn't go your way politically.

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I'm not entirely certain how new this rule is, as it was only brought up tonight as the reset was today. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, but I think it's pretty clear who this harms most. We have many re-rolls and many players who are frequently re-rolling, and this rule removes our ability to run an effective senate campaign while utilizing the re-roll tactic.

And good thing I suggested that nations who get deleted/move off a different color gets their votes deducted from the senate race...

tl;dr: Go help improve the system instead of complaining when something doesn't go in a direction that does not favor you.

This post has been edited by Mirazi Heket: 13 September 2008 - 12:42 AM

[jackyseto123]

Admin wants nations to grow and experience things first and see through the wall that evil is before they make a big choice that voting is.

[Starfox101]

Mirazi Heket, on Sep 13 2008, 06:38 AM, said:

You know, it would all be a whole lot better if I saw more input from 'you people' here in this thread: http://forums.cybern...showtopic=32623 instead of complaining when something doesn't go your way politically.

And good thing I suggested that nations who get deleted/move off a different color gets their votes deducted from the senate race...

tl;dr: Go help improve the system instead of complaining when something doesn't go in a direction that does not favor you.

You're saying because we haven't commented on his thread, we can't complain? We don't think the system is broke how it is, so we don't want it changed. Sorry.

[BlackKnight]

Admin most likely implemented this rule to counter multi-ing; as in, a player creates another nation to use for that +1 vote in the senate.

[Delta1212]

Even just re-rolling. Because of the way the senate works, a nation that deletes doesn't have its vote removed. A player could convecievably vote half a dozen times in one election period by deleting every 5 days. I assume that's the logic.


Incidentally, a lot of updates have come through recently that aren't in the log, such as new nations starting with Disallow Senate Votes as the default option.

[Drai]

Delta1212, on Sep 13 2008, 01:36 PM, said:

Even just re-rolling. Because of the way the senate works, a nation that deletes doesn't have its vote removed. A player could convecievably vote half a dozen times in one election period by deleting every 5 days. I assume that's the logic.


Incidentally, a lot of updates have come through recently that aren't in the log, such as new nations starting with Disallow Senate Votes as the default option.

Because nations can only re-roll every 15 days, and a nation can only vote every 15 days, this new rule doesn't really accomplish preventing vote spamming because it was never possible. I would like to know why the rule was added.

Or do I have the timeframes wrong on re-rolling?

This post has been edited by Drai: 13 September 2008 - 02:39 PM

[Delta1212]

Drai, on Sep 13 2008, 03:38 PM, said:

Because nations can only re-roll every 15 days, and a nation can only vote every 15 days, this new rule doesn't really accomplish preventing vote spamming because it was never possible. I would like to know why the rule was added.

Or do I have the timeframes wrong on re-rolling?

I believe it's 5 days for deletion, though I could be mistaken.

[KingSrqt]

Delta1212, on Sep 13 2008, 05:19 PM, said:

I believe it's 5 days for deletion, though I could be mistaken.

I actually thought it was 3 but it has been a long time since I made a nation so I'm not sure

[kingzog]

Well that at least explains the PMs I've had from people saying "I tried to vote for you, but I can't."

Interesting timing.

This post has been edited by kingzog: 13 September 2008 - 06:06 PM

[BringMeTheHorizon]

The discussion has been going on for some time, i can see how it hurts vox. I also don't see why you are complaining now, you had a chance to voice your concerns in the thread. Its not admins fault that you didnt complain in the thread that was discussing this.

[Delta1212]

KingSrqt, on Sep 13 2008, 07:47 PM, said:

I actually thought it was 3 but it has been a long time since I made a nation so I'm not sure

It's 5 in CN and 3 in TE, I think.

[Mirreille]

Delta1212, on Sep 13 2008, 09:47 PM, said:

It's 5 in CN and 3 in TE, I think.

I don't know about TE, but in CN it is 5 days. One of our former members wanted re-roll to get better resources and it was disallowed for 5 days.

@Doitzel: Other then the issue of possible ballot stuffing, no, I don't think it matters.

[Terra Extraneus]

Starfox101, on Sep 12 2008, 09:24 PM, said:

So, I see tonight that another anti-Vox senate rule is in place.
I'm not accusing anyone of anything, but I think it's pretty clear who this harms most.

kingzog, on Sep 13 2008, 04:57 PM, said:

Well that at least explains the PMs I've had from people saying "I tried to vote for you, but I can't."

Interesting timing.

Honestly, if you guys are going to do this forever then it will always be 'interesting' timing. Can't stop admin doing updates because a certain party does not like it/finds it to be a move to hinder them.

[admin]

BlackKnight, on Sep 13 2008, 02:14 PM, said:

Admin most likely implemented this rule to counter multi-ing; as in, a player creates another nation to use for that +1 vote in the senate.

This is one reason. The other reason is nations re-rolling every 5 days to get multiple votes when everyone else can only vote once every 15 days. Also, new nations should have some experience in the game before jumping into the voting booth. Closing discussion.

Edit: After further consideration, 30 days is excessive. A limit of 15 days is more appropriate and the game has been updated as such.