[TBaggins]

Honestly, why do we deserve to survive? We kill each other for greed, lines on a map, and control. So should we REALLY live on continuing on this path of self destruction? Or should we just nuke eachother and be done with it and possibly start over?

[Esau of Isaac]

No one intrinsically deserves anything.

Why start over? It would eventually come to the same thing.

[Carrick]

Wow you're pessimistic. So you don't think we deserve to live because some of us are Machiavellian? I'll bet the average person just wants to live their life.

[Reformentia]

TBaggins, on Jul 14 2008, 02:57 PM, said:

Honestly, why do we deserve to survive? We kill each other for greed, lines on a map, and control. So should we REALLY live on continuing on this path of self destruction? Or should we just nuke eachother and be done with it and possibly start over?

We perhaps don't deserve to live because we kill each other. The hypothetical solution presented to correct this situation is to kill each other on a much larger scale.

I'm confused.

[thedestro]

Why don't you just get some perspective.

[El Pilchinator]

Reformentia, on Jul 14 2008, 06:03 PM, said:

We perhaps don't deserve to live because we kill each other. The hypothetical solution presented to correct this situation is to kill each other on a much larger scale.

I'm confused.

You're not the only one.

[TBaggins]

I request that the mods close the topic because of my brother taking advantage of my being in the bathroom and leaving the Boiler Room screen open.

:angry:

[mastab]

Universal sterilization. Let's stomp out this fire before it burns down the house.

TBaggins, on Jul 14 2008, 03:08 PM, said:

I request that the mods close the topic because of my brother taking advantage of my being in the bathroom and leaving the Boiler Room screen open.

:angry:

Excuses.

This post has been edited by mastab: 14 July 2008 - 04:24 PM

[Boyle]

TBaggins, on Jul 14 2008, 02:57 PM, said:

Honestly, why do we deserve to survive? We kill each other for greed, lines on a map, and control. So should we REALLY live on continuing on this path of self destruction? Or should we just nuke eachother and be done with it and possibly start over?

Living has nothing to do with who deserves what, other than who deserves to continue living based on their ability. We live because we are alive, there is no special point to it, and usually no hidden message involved in it. Simply put, yes, we absolutely deserve to live because we managed to survive. We we stop deserving to live, we'll die. I don't really see a problem with humanity dying or living. We are not that special to nature.

Yes, we do kill one another for greed, for petty offenses, and for jealousy. These things have been wired into us. That isn't to say we must kill people whenever we feel like it, but it is beneficial to know why we have those impulses and not to call them 'unnatural' or 'evil'. They are, really, the exact opposite of 'unnatural' and 'evil'. Feelings are feelings, not actions or words. Letting those feelings translate into action and into words can be, and typically is, where the trouble starts.

Now, should we kill each other and lead ourselves on a 'path of destruction'? Should we? If we want to survive, then no, we should not lead ourselves to extinction. The question here is: Are we, humanity, following a line of despair that leads to our ubiquitous death? I don't think we are. It's a romantic thought that we'll all die due to the big red button, but my money is that we become extinct due to evolution. It'll be slow, it'll be agonizing, and I'll be dead long before it happens, if it happens.

Finally, even if we are doomed to die by our own hand, how would one stop the process? By showing others it is possible to overcome certain impulses. If you want to preach a peaceful philosophy, you damn well better be a peaceful person so you can at least show others it is possible. I don't mean utterly non-violent, but save violence only for certain times and with certain people.

By the way, you can't much more self-destructive than full-scale nuclear warfare.

[Kenadian_2006]

TBaggins, on Jul 14 2008, 05:57 PM, said:

Honestly, why do we deserve to survive? We kill each other for greed, lines on a map, and control. So should we REALLY live on continuing on this path of self destruction? Or should we just nuke eachother and be done with it and possibly start over?

We also raise children, care for our loved ones and neighbours, create great works of engineering, art, science, technology and culture. We landed on the bloody moon, we've exponentially expanded our understanding of the universe. We also kill and maim each other, $%&@ our neighbouring countries, commit genocide, political subterfuge, lie on every level, cheat, etc.

Humanity comes with good and evil, just because some people (perhaps yourself included) choose to focus on the ugly parts of things does not mean humanity is any more or less deserving to live.

[Virillus]

TBaggins, on Jul 14 2008, 10:57 PM, said:

Honestly, why do we deserve to survive? We kill each other for greed, lines on a map, and control. So should we REALLY live on continuing on this path of self destruction? Or should we just nuke eachother and be done with it and possibly start over?

We deserve to survive because we're the best.

[anenu]

TBaggins, on Jul 14 2008, 03:57 PM, said:

Honestly, why do we deserve to survive? We kill each other for greed, lines on a map, and control. So should we REALLY live on continuing on this path of self destruction? Or should we just nuke eachother and be done with it and possibly start over?

We deserve to live because only corrupted individuals with power have given us our bad name. In general the common man is happier when there are no wars and killings.

[Lamuella]

TBaggins, on Jul 14 2008, 05:57 PM, said:

Honestly, why do we deserve to survive? We kill each other for greed, lines on a map, and control. So should we REALLY live on continuing on this path of self destruction? Or should we just nuke eachother and be done with it and possibly start over?

If you want to opt out of the human race, by all means don't breed and don't iunteract with others.

Personally, as the latest generation of creatures who were better than their competitors at survival for millions of years, I think I'll keep the whole thing going.

[Shinpah]

We neither deserve to live nor deserve to die/not exist...there is no action inherent in our species that is worse than any action done by any other species....

Actually there is no action done by humans that is wrong

[Lamuella]

Shinpah, on Jul 14 2008, 11:11 PM, said:

Actually there is no action done by humans that is wrong

depends what you mean by "wrong" and who you get to define it.

I think most humans would describe (for example) genocide as wrong.

[Shinpah]

Lamuella, on Jul 14 2008, 11:14 PM, said:

depends what you mean by "wrong" and who you get to define it.

I think most humans would describe (for example) genocide as wrong.

What if genocide were the only answer to a problem?
Most people probably would say that genocide is wrong.....but most people would also probably say murder is wrong

[Lamuella]

Shinpah, on Jul 14 2008, 11:18 PM, said:

What if genocide were the only answer to a problem?

I'd really like you to formulate a problem that genocide would be the only answer to that is not also utterly bloody ludicrous.

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Most people probably would say that genocide is wrong.....but most people would also probably say murder is wrong

"murder" means "wrongful killing". Happy to help.

[Ethan Smith]

God made us too good.

[Shinpah]

Lamuella, on Jul 14 2008, 11:27 PM, said:

I'd really like you to formulate a problem that genocide would be the only answer to that is not also utterly bloody ludicrous.

"murder" means "wrongful killing". Happy to help.

At this time, genocide could be the only answer to overpopulation (yes I know of population laws...and yes, they could work)...

Also...I'm working entirely hypothetically here; note the: "what if" and "were" in my previous state. I'm neither supporting genocide nor asking for a solution; I'm proposing a question. If genocide were the only option to (since everyone seems to think survival is important) the survival of the human race, would committing genocide be wrong?

Murder can be defined as simply the killing of another human being or the killing of another human being with malice. Your definition, however; leads me to believe that all events classified as manslaughter are in fact events of murder.

What is "wrongful"?

[Megami]

TBaggins, on Jul 14 2008, 02:57 PM, said:

Honestly, why do we deserve to survive? We kill each other for greed, lines on a map, and control. So should we REALLY live on continuing on this path of self destruction? Or should we just nuke eachother and be done with it and possibly start over?

Survival has nothing to do with some arbitrary concept of "deserving to". Something or somethings survive... or they do not.