[Dr Suave]

I saw on the news last night, EU wanted Ireland to come up with a solution to the Lisbon Treaty getting a No vote.

What the hell? A solution to democracy? They dont like the vote so they want them to vote again? Anyway:

http://news.bbc.co.u...ics/7465060.stm

[Smallfrog]

There is a very simple issue here. The EU, in its current form, cannot expand. It also suffers from issues regarding internal competition and unbalanced decision (read undemocratic) making processes. It needs to reform, so a solution needs to be found. That could mean tearing up libson and re-writing the entire thing.

[arch3004]

Just another POV

http://www.infowars.com/?p=2744

[Republic of Scotland]

Eurocrats are untrustworthy and unpopular wastes of space with only one thing in mind: themselves. And they'll happily throw a towel over and ignore anything that might make them look that way.

They need to rewrite the whole system and find one people can trust and connect with. And a word of advice to them: people won't trust anything that doesn't let them make their own decisions

[MadScotsman]

Republic of Scotland, on Jun 21 2008, 01:14 AM, said:

Eurocrats are untrustworthy and unpopular wastes of space with only one thing in mind: themselves. And they'll happily throw a towel over and ignore anything that might make them look that way.

They need to rewrite the whole system and find one people can trust and connect with. And a word of advice to them: people won't trust anything that doesn't let them make their own decisions

Or just forget about becoming a National State altogether, and be what it was set up to be. It is annoying as hell having unelected fools who could not point to a certain place on a map destroy that place because "they know best"

[Republic of Scotland]

Sometimes I think these people let 3 year olds draw lines on a map and then they use it to work out how the world should look.

They did it with Versailles, Yugoslavia, the Middle East and most of Africa. Lets face it, they don't have a good track record.

[Samzy60]

Well done to the Irish, for voting NO hopefully this will get the EU a new treaty!

[TurnipCruncher]

Won't they just tell the Irish to vote again for the answer they want like last time?

[Samzy60]

Well I don't think the Irish people will to pleased and the Irish pm wouldn't be to populuar either.

[Loki Ire]

Elbows, on Jun 20 2008, 05:10 AM, said:

I saw on the news last night, EU wanted Ireland to come up with a solution to the Lisbon Treaty getting a No vote.

What the hell? A solution to democracy? They dont like the vote so they want them to vote again?

Silly Irish, the EU is the solution to democracy. Now surrender to the will of the collective immediately. No "votes" are necessary.

[Charles VI]

Kick Ireland out of the Union.

[welshgazza1992]

The Treaty of Lisbon is necisary for the futher expansion of the EU.

European and Irish politicians should properly explain the treaty to the Irish, promise that Abortion will not be legalised in Ireland and make promises that certain taxes wont be raised either. Then let the Irish vote. People didn't understand the treaty that was the problem last time.

But the whole abortion thingy, something like 40 % of all female visitors that come to the UK come for an abortion (that's my memory, so don't take it as fact). So that needs discussion.

[Republic of Scotland]

Too late now. The No vote has well and truly won.

If the EU is worth anything, they'll bin the Lisbon not-Constituion now. It's dead in the water.

This post has been edited by Republic of Scotland: 27 June 2008 - 09:31 PM

[Dublandia]

I applaud the Irish for refusing to be ruled by non-elected bureaucrats.

I wonder what the vote would have been like in other countries, if they had been
allowed to determine their own fate.

All Europeans should demand a voice in determining the future of the EU, and not
leave the decision up to self-serving politicians and bureaucrats.

[TurnipCruncher]

I think we all know how the UK would vote.

[steodonn]

TurnipCruncher, on Jun 28 2008, 06:53 PM, said:

I think we all know how the UK would vote.

I here they are 100% for it

or is that just brown

[Thierra]

It was very sad, indeed. It doesn't boil down really to expansion or not so much as reform. The EU in its current status is hanging between the two situations that opposite viewpoints would prefer. It's not completely united as some would prefer, but it's not as separate and allowing of national sovereignty as others would like.

So what we have is a caught-in-limbo organization that is too strong for anyone's taste without being able to really do thing effectively. You get all the bad bureaucracy without any of the results.

The Lisbon Treaty would have pushed it in one direction more by giving it more of a mission, a direction, and a method. With this Irish vote, the EU stands to remain as-is for a while longer, allowing the inefficient system to stand.




Personally, I would rather see the Lisbon Treaty approve. Or if not that, then the EU scaled back to allow more sovereignty. It's middle-ground approach just makes it look completely confused and out-of-touch.

[Solaris]

Charles V, on Jun 28 2008, 12:16 AM, said:

Kick Ireland out of the Union.

I concur. For reals.

Give them somekind of 'economic cooperation special partnership', but kick them out of the political union.

[Kiaron Hebleth]

Solaris, on Jul 2 2008, 02:31 PM, said:

I concur. For reals.

Give them somekind of 'economic cooperation special partnership', but kick them out of the political union.

So everytime a nation doesn't agree, kick them out. Wonderful. How long do you reckon it'd be before the UK was out? How long before there two countries left in the EU trying to throw each other out?

[Solaris]

Kiaron Hebleth, on Jul 2 2008, 05:31 PM, said:

So everytime a nation doesn't agree, kick them out. Wonderful. How long do you reckon it'd be before the UK was out? How long before there two countries left in the EU trying to throw each other out?

The Lisbon Treaty is a deal-breaker, it's quite hard for EU to go on operating without it. With majority decisions, stubborness of one would not be so important.