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Air Force Brass given the pink slip! Seems they acted like Russians too much with all the lost nukes. Rate Topic: -----

#1 User is offline   Arabland 

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 08:13 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2...ings/index.html

About time, I say.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 08:17 PM

No kidding.

How does that even happen, it's rather mind-bottling.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 08:18 PM

It's just a nuke. Didn't kill anyone. Didn't even make anyone sterile!

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 08:18 PM

Well, it's about time.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 08:38 PM

If these were isolated incidents, I'd think that this would be stupid, but since the reports clearly indicate that security was slipping all over, I hope the next man to fill the shoes patches things up.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 08:45 PM

View PostCaptain Ikarius, on Jun 5 2008, 09:37 PM, said:

No kidding.

How does that even happen, it's rather mind-bottling.


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/facepalm

Bout damn time this happened.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 08:50 PM

Am I missing something here? Everyone keeps thinking it's about time.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 09:02 PM

Everybody is held responsible in the Air Force for their actions since we were created, there is no "Code of Silence" like in the other 3 services. Doesn't matter if your the Airman on the flightline, the Commander at the Base Command or the General at the Pentagon, if you are involved, you suffer the results of your actions.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 09:08 PM

View PostGebiv, on Jun 5 2008, 11:10 PM, said:

Am I missing something here? Everyone keeps thinking it's about time.


You want our nukes to go missing? We sent some warhead fuses to S. Korea on accident in 2006, we got them back about 3 months ago. Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together knows they spent the last year and a 1/2 studying and reverse engineering them.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 09:24 PM

View PostArabland, on Jun 5 2008, 10:28 PM, said:

You want our nukes to go missing? We sent some warhead fuses to S. Korea on accident in 2006, we got them back about 3 months ago. Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together knows they spent the last year and a 1/2 studying and reverse engineering them.


Uh, that would be Taiwan, and with the Non-Nuclear Proliferation Treaty, no new countries may join the Nuclear Club.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 09:27 PM

View PostSilverHawk, on Jun 5 2008, 11:44 PM, said:

Uh, that would be Taiwan, and with the Non-Nuclear Proliferation Treaty, no new countries may join the Nuclear Club.


My bad, also that didn't stop Israel.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 09:31 PM

That's the worst kept secret there is. No country may officially acknowledge possession of a nuclear weapon stockpile or be subject to sanctions. Also Israel has made no moves to leverage it's nuclear weapons into an advantage when dealing with other countries, they are free to infer their own meaning from the "phantom" bombs.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 09:32 PM

View PostArabland, on Jun 5 2008, 08:28 PM, said:

You want our nukes to go missing? We sent some warhead fuses to S. Korea on accident in 2006, we got them back about 3 months ago. Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together knows they spent the last year and a 1/2 studying and reverse engineering them.

And South Korea having nukes is bad, while the US having nukes is good?

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 10:02 PM

View PostGebiv, on Jun 5 2008, 11:51 PM, said:

And South Korea having nukes is bad, while the US having nukes is good?


No, having another country (ally or otherwise) have our nukes or the tech to duplicate it is. If they want nukes, let them build them themselves and if they can't, then they're not ready anyway.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 10:02 PM

View PostArabland, on Jun 5 2008, 09:21 PM, said:

No, having another country (ally or otherwise) have our nukes or the tech to duplicate it is. If they want nukes, let them build them themselves and if they can't, then they're not ready anyway.

You make duplication sound like it's easy.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 10:05 PM

View PostGebiv, on Jun 6 2008, 12:22 AM, said:

You make duplication sound like it's easy.


When the blue prints are in your hands, it is.

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Posted 05 June 2008 - 10:12 PM

View PostArabland, on Jun 5 2008, 09:24 PM, said:

When the blue prints are in your hands, it is.

Tell me, how did they get these blueprints? Would that not be the action that is "bad," rather than the actual possesion?

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Posted 06 June 2008 - 05:43 AM

View PostGebiv, on Jun 6 2008, 05:22 AM, said:

You make duplication sound like it's easy.

Building nukes is engineering rather than sceintifical. Its easy to work out how to build a centrifuge, rather harder to actually build one capable of making weapons grade Uranium.

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Posted 06 June 2008 - 05:59 AM

View PostSilverHawk, on Jun 6 2008, 04:44 AM, said:

Uh, that would be Taiwan, and with the Non-Nuclear Proliferation Treaty, no new countries may join the Nuclear Club.


To be blunt, didn't really stop either Iran, or N. Korea.

View PostSilverHawk, on Jun 6 2008, 04:51 AM, said:

That's the worst kept secret there is. No country may officially acknowledge possession of a nuclear weapon stockpile or be subject to sanctions. Also Israel has made no moves to leverage it's nuclear weapons into an advantage when dealing with other countries, they are free to infer their own meaning from the "phantom" bombs.


I'd agree with that. If Iran had nuclear weapons, then they would use it on Israel without hesitation. To be fair, the Israeli SF more than make up for the refusial to use nuclear weaponry.

View PostGebiv, on Jun 6 2008, 05:22 AM, said:

You make duplication sound like it's easy.


Easier than not having the weapons in the first place, or just working off the blueprints.. It would be even worse if they had those who know how to control them, say a Weapons officer from a nuclear submarine for example.

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Posted 06 June 2008 - 09:14 AM

View PostSquiggers, on Jun 6 2008, 08:19 AM, said:

I'd agree with that. If Iran had nuclear weapons, then they would use it on Israel without hesitation.

Tbh, I HIGHLY doubt Iran is anywhere near getting nuclear weapons. If they are, Israel would know and would take out their reactors and plants like they did with the Syrian reactor.

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