New environment effect

[Vespassianus]

Based on this suggestion environment effects to population and happiness have been updated. If you have a bad enviornment you will notice more of a decrease in population and happiness than before. The higher your population and happiness the more impact enviormnet will have. Nuclear weapons now have a higher impact the more nukes that you own.

I don't like it.

[Millionario]

I don't particularly either, I tried messing around with it by buying border walls for example. Despite the -2% citizens from the walls, I still manage to add about 1,000 citizens per wall on top of the +2 happiness for up to 3 boarder walls. really, that tells me something might need fixing

Edit: I lost 10,000 citizens not including the walls I just built

Edited May 19, 2008 by Millionario

[Mongrel]

I was wondewering what just happened to my pop!

Just lost 6K population!!!

[admin]

From the start I knew this would not be a popular update and I expect to see many threads like this and many PM complaints. My response... bring it on. Environment was a feature that had a lot of potential in the game and now that potential is better realized with this update.

[Vespassianus]

I think the effect of this update will be that people wil drop -1 envi trades ,build border walls and monarchy( or democracy in war) will become the ultimate gov type.

[LJ Scott]

Very nice update in my opinion.

Now I don't think "lol enviroment" anymore.

[Azaghul]

It's a good change. It would be nice if people weren't always thinking only about their own growth or strength but how good a change is for the game. Environment (I'm assuming) will have a meaningful impact now.

With it, border walls probably need changing to not affect the environment. Perhaps change the happiness bonus to +3 and take away the environmental bonus.

Also what was the change to nukes? The information in the game info page needs updating to reflect this change.

Edited May 19, 2008 by Azaghul

[LJ Scott]

I presume it's this:

In addition to that, give nukes not a fixed penalty, but a sliding one: nukes/10 = env modificator. 20nukes means 2 env penalty, 10 nukes only 1. 25 = 2.5. Just logical. Lead (as currently very weak resource), could negate the nuke-env penalty.

[Azaghul]

If it's lowered citizens and income too much, perhaps it should be balanced by something else? Like say make the base citizen for each mile of land is two citizens instead of a fraction of one. That way the value of environment and land would both be increased.

Edited May 19, 2008 by Azaghul

[SwiftCrack]

lead and coal could use an update now, border walls are quite fine and more usefull now imo. a few new improvements and/or wonders that deal with env. could be added to balance things out a bit more :jihad:

[Millionario]

Something else just changed, lost another 3k citizens :\

edit: - Border Walls now provide +1 happiness instead of +2 happiness.

Edited May 19, 2008 by Millionario

[Denniswerf]

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The armed forces of Op Hoop van Zegen are very strong. This is making your population very uncomfortable.

YAY thanks way to go changing during wartime! :angry:

[Descendent]

lead and coal could use an update now, border walls are quite fine and more usefull now imo. a few new improvements and/or wonders that deal with env. could be added to balance things out a bit more :jihad:

Some new improvments will by all means be fine. I have a lot of unfilled slots now.

[TheThirdMark]

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The armed forces of Op Hoop van Zegen are very strong. This is making your population very uncomfortable.

YAY thanks way to go changing during wartime! :angry:

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Eat it :jihad:

But when do Admins have to do it then? Its always WarTime on CN.

[Denniswerf]

Eat it :jihad:

But when do Admins have to do it then? Its always WarTime on CN.

They should have done it in 40 days, cause by then I would have way more infra so I wouldn't have minus improvement slot number

[Letum]

Income's been cut again on top of this?

Kevin, please don't test in real time

[Ephriam Grey]

I'm down to less than 50% of the collection amount I could make yesterday.

This is gonna bill lock a ton of people :/

[Viluin]

Avg. Individual Income Taxes Paid Per Day $76.33

Down from ~$100. That's insane.. exactly what's causing this?

Will there be some kind of change made to bills as well? I imagine there are some people with massive amounts of infra that are now past the break-even point for infrastructure and have to actually sell some.

Edited May 19, 2008 by Viluin

[jonnygozy]

My income keeps going down every minute it seems like. I was making almost 13mil per day yesterday, right now it's about 10mil.

EDIT: Just went up 500k

I guess I'll wait to collect taxes for a day or two until the dust has settled from these changes.

Edited May 19, 2008 by jonnygozy

[Letum]

Now it rose marginally. >_>

[admin]

Kevin, please don't test in real time

I think I'm done tinkering now.

[Ephriam Grey]

I think I'm done tinkering now.

Can we get some sort of summary on what all has been done?

[jonnygozy]

Game update log has a summary.

[Denniswerf]

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The armed forces of Op Hoop van Zegen are overly strong. This is making your population a bit uncomfortable.

You have already dismissed soldiers within the past two days. You may only purchase soldiers at this time.

o.O can the dismissing soldiers be resetted?

[Robertraccoon]

This update really just screwed me. Now Idk how I am going to pay my bills I put off from only one day, and I was making enough to finish a tech deal which I wont be able to now.