[Crowdog]

GOLD has been Couped for those who hadn't seen. Imperator and Wai Yu have attempted to retake GOLD from the inside and have claimed GOLD's forums, claimed to be GOLD officials, and claimed GOLD to be neutral. To this I say, $%&@ you, I thought we were friends.

GOLD and EoTRS still maintain our MDP. I am working with howso at this moment to re-situate GOLD even if it has to be on EOTRS forums. If I have to help organize targets and fronts for two alliances I shall assist in that.

Imperator and Wai Yu are traitors to the GOLDen cause and are hereby expelled from GOLD as rule of howso the GOLDen Premier.

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<Crowdog07[EoTRS]> doi you mind if I post a thread on this, proclaiming the true GOLD govt.?
<Howso[GOLD_Usurped_Premier]> it's your decision,
<Howso[GOLD_Usurped_Premier]> if you do
<Howso[GOLD_Usurped_Premier]> then mention that Wai Yu and Imperator are traitors to GOLD and are hereby expelled from our rnaks forever, and that all posts by them are to be ignored

GOLD's true premier is Howso. GOLD chose them in their elections over the past few days. Knowing that EOTRS would like to recognize Howso as GOLD's true govt.

To imp and wai yu, you really put yourselves to shame with this one. go join GPA or TDO if you want neutrality. GOLD signed herself into an agreement with us, her yellow friends. and yellow will stand united without your help.

To doitzal and spakistan of CIS and NPO. $%&@ you both. You are the faces of true cowards to try and install fear deep enough to make an alliance forget her friends, and her brothers. You are the faces of true CN evil.

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* Now talking in #doitzcave
<Doitzel> Greetz
* Doitzel sets mode: +oo Imperator[GOLD] Spakistan[CIS]
<Imperator[GOLD]> Evening.
<Spakistan[CIS]> Hello there.
<Imperator[GOLD]> May I first of all ask you Gentlemen to present yourself?
<Doitzel> Oh yes, of course
<Spakistan[CIS]> Spakistan - CIS Supreme Council, not much else to say.
<Doitzel> I'm Doitzel, obviously, of the NPO. I'm not really sure what position I hold, but I'm privy enough to certain info and do what the Emperor or whoever else tells me. tongue.gif
<Spakistan[CIS]> He's moo's !@#$%*.
<Doitzel> Essentially. sad.gif
<Imperator[GOLD]> I see
<Spakistan[CIS]> Turn that frown upside down, you love it doitz.
<Imperator[GOLD]> So what can I do for you?
<Doitzel> Well, we've become aware through the perennial g$%&@vine of certain plans GOLD might have.
<Imperator[GOLD]> Which would be?
<Doitzel> I'll not beat around the bush; we've heard from numerous sources that GOLD is looking to join the currently ongoing conflict on the side of the Unjust Path.
<Imperator[GOLD]> I will
<Doitzel> [16:24] <pcoal[GOLD_Deputy_MoD]> all MoD people (captains and deputies) go to mod room in irc please <---- That in itself is rather conspicuous, by the way.
<Imperator[GOLD]> I see. Well, GOLD is trying to avoid conflict in anyway possible, but since our ally, EoTRS is in a state of war with NoV, and since the situation on Planet Bob is so delicate, we have taken certain safety measures. We are under armed neutrality. If you look on page two on the EoTRS DoW on the CN-forums, you will even see that we do no support them in their aggressive war.
<Doitzel> So you deny that you have any plans to join in the was on the side of the Unjust Path?
<Imperator[GOLD]> We are simply on a high state of alert due to the risk that GOLD might be attacked. We will defend ourselves from all attacks, no matter who the attacker is.
<Spakistan[CIS]> The NPO and various other alliances have treatied obligations to defend NoV from the EoTRS aggressive action. Would they be attacked by GOLD?
<Doitzel> war*
<Imperator[GOLD]> As far as I know, there are no such plans. As far as your question goes, Spakistan, GOLD is bound to honour the MDP that we have signed with EoTRS.
<Doitzel> And does that include counter-attacks on EotRS as a result of their aggressive war?
<Spakistan[CIS]> ^
<Imperator[GOLD]> It would technically be an aggression on EoTRS, which we will respond to.
<Doitzel> So defending an ally against an aggressor that knows full-well the repercussions of their actions constitutes aggression?
<Imperator[GOLD]> We are bound by the MDP to defend EoTRS against all aggressions, yes.
<Spakistan[CIS]> It isn't aggression, it is defence, and one that will be tackled by the NPO itself I believe.
<Spakistan[CIS]> I'd think very carefully for your alliance here.
<Doitzel> Then you are surely aware that, considering EotRS' unwarranted aggression against NoV, that you will end up at war.
<Imperator[GOLD]> I will have to confer with the Security Council.
<Spakistan[CIS]> We'd appriciate a swift answer.
<cjavo[EoTRS]> alright
<Doitzel> Very well. Just be aware what you stand to lose, and stand against, in such a case. Remember that we have been merciful and sympathetic to GOLD for past entrances into large-scale wars. Fool me once, though...
<Imperator[GOLD]> Well, I cannot violate the charter by overstepping my powers. And I certainly do not appreciate threaths towards my alliance.
<Doitzel> Very well. Just be aware what you stand to lose, and stand against, in such a case. Remember that we have been merciful and sympathetic to GOLD for past entrances into large-scale wars. Fool me once, though...
<Imperator[GOLD]> Well, I cannot violate the charter by overstepping my powers. And I certainly do not appreciate threaths towards my alliance.
<Doitzel> I have threatened nothing, only asked that you remember. smile.gif
<Spakistan[CIS]> We have been careful with our words, I think it is clear that we don't wish any harm on GOLD, only that you are fully aware of the repercussions your actions have before you take them.
<Imperator[GOLD]> Ah, I'm sorry, I didn't see the "Remember" part.
<Imperator[GOLD]> Well, before any decision is taken, I will have to confer with the Security Council. This is a question that is too big for the Viceroy, as per the Charter.
<Spakistan[CIS]> Very well.
<Doitzel> Very well. We'll meet again, I'm sure. smile.gif
<Imperator[GOLD]> Until then, take care.
<Doitzel> Au revoir
<Imperator[GOLD]> Auf Wiedersehen

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<Spakistan[CIS]> Word yet?
<Imperator[GOLD]> Nope
<Spakistan[CIS]> Stalling for time or being genuine?
<Imperator[GOLD]> Being genuine
<Imperator[GOLD]> We are holding Elections
<Imperator[GOLD]> The premier election ends tomorrow
<Imperator[GOLD]> and then the Security Council elections start
<Spakistan[CIS]> You need to let NPO know very soon.
<Imperator[GOLD]> Know what?
<Spakistan[CIS]> Within the next hour.
<Imperator[GOLD]> Know what?
<Spakistan[CIS]> Where you stand with retalliation attacks from MDPed alliances to NoV after EoTRS' aggression
<Spakistan[CIS]> If I were you, I'd think carefully about keeping that MDP.
<Varses> What do you think of telling them that we would not honor our MDP, see what they do at update, and then attack them after update
<Imperator[GOLD]> Well, things do take time in a democracy, as you might know. And this comes at the worst possible time for us, considering the elections. We are, however, a sovereign alliance, and we will not let our internal affairs be determined by another alliance. Please come back in 45 minutes.
<Spakistan[CIS]> Think carefully about it, is it a cause worth fighting? I always thought GOLD had a little more integrity than the likes of GOONS, I wouldn't like to see you get pounded by the orders for something that doesn't even concern you.
<Imperator[GOLD]> I will confer with the government

These threats will not be tolerated. GOLD intends on honoring her MDP with us at EoTRS and not a goddamn thing you can say about it will break them from it. Next time you feel your threats are this worthwhile, stick them up your ass, you're about to get $%&@ed there anyways.

[Bob Sanders]

o/ GOLD and EoTRS


On a side note is very funny that Doitzel claimed he didn't threaten GOLD in another thread.

This post has been edited by Bob Sanders: 12 September 2007 - 11:27 AM

[Comrade Korey]

o/, funny thing when the truth comes out isn't it Doitzel?

[W_A_R]

I believe Doitzel would call it 'leverage'.

[Reptyler]

I would think if you truly trusted and respected your allies, you'd let them make their own decisions. If they really like you and you really like them, you've got nothing to worry about. But from your angry words, I'd think you're doing as much wrong as the Justice League is - what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

[CptGodzilla]

funny CIS talking about linked MDPs when they entered a war from a MDP announced after actual aggressions started

[der_ko]

I am not surprised that the likes of NPO don't understand what it means to honor treaties.

[Loodoyaye]

YOU declare war on NoV, and then expect GOLD to honor their MDP with you and attack NoV?

do you know what an MDP is???

[Crowdog]

Reptyler, on Sep 12 2007, 12:31 PM, said:

I would think if you truly trusted and respected your allies, you'd let them make their own decisions. If they really like you and you really like them, you've got nothing to worry about. But from your angry words, I'd think you're doing as much wrong as the Justice League is - what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

and i will, and I know what their decisions are, and they are not imperators to make. considering I'm query chatting on IRC with howso currently I think I know what I'm talking about.

[KingSrqt]

Those threats sounded like those of a scared and desperate alliance.

[BJ Walsh]

good luck to you GOLD. i hold people like howso in high regard for how they handle themselves, and i know you will prevail.

weve had our differences, but you know i love you

o/

[KingSrqt]

Loodoyaye, on Sep 12 2007, 01:33 PM, said:

YOU declare war on NoV, and then expect GOLD to honor their MDP with you and attack NoV?

do you know what an MDP is???

No they declare war on NoV and expect GOLD to attack any one that declares on EoTRS in your defence Reading comprehension FTW.

[CptGodzilla]

Loodoyaye, on Sep 12 2007, 12:33 PM, said:

YOU declare war on NoV, and then expect GOLD to honor their MDP with you and attack NoV?

do you know what an MDP is???

well from this quote in there

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<Spakistan[CIS]> The NPO and various other alliances have treatied obligations to defend NoV from the EoTRS aggressive action. Would they be attacked by GOLD?

many alliances came to the defense of NoV, after NoV aggressively attacked GOONS, and from the way spakistan says it.. more are to come

so... same thing is happening on your side loodoyaye

[tamerlane]

This falls somewhere along the lines of absolutely hilarious and ROFL


Good Job Doitzel.. Maybe you shoulda left the diplomacy thing to Philo, he does alot better job with alot more discretion.

[RossGarner]

Crowdog, on Sep 12 2007, 12:21 PM, said:

These threats will not be tolerated. GOLD intends on honoring her MDP with us at EoTRS and not a goddamn thing you can say about it will break them from it. Next time you feel your threats are this worthwhile, stick them up your ass, you're about to get $%&@ed there anyways.

Classy.

Its funny that EoTRS seems to be the one commanding GOLD here, enjoy it while you can, getting your allies into a war in which they have no chance of winning is a great way to repay old relations, sometimes alliances leader should think about what the consequences of their decisions mean for their alliances and its friends.

[Black Death]

I'd like to state the obvious..

Doitzel has no position in pacifica and therefore can not speak on her behalf

So don't confuse this for a NPO sanctioned 'line of questioning'

This post has been edited by Black Death: 12 September 2007 - 11:45 AM

[Tyrion]

Wow, there's a lot of hatred and profanity in the Op. :/ I'd call it flame bait personally.

So, you're intent in taking control of the Government of GOLD whilst in the EotRS? And you condemn others for couping it? Seems a bit hypocritical. It also seems to me that you do this for selfish and personal reasons - you wish to add their strength to yours in your war. You don't seem to have the best interests of GOLD at heart, but rather the best interests of EotRS.

As for the questions Doitzel and Spakistan asked, they don't seem so surprising to me. There are many private chats such as this going on during a war, each side or potential entrant looking to see what each side or potential entrant looks to want to be doing. Doitzel is being neither forceful or rude in the logs you provided. I don't see anything wrong with his conduct. Certainly nothing that warrants the kind of profanity and vulgarity you just spewed.

The question about the MDP is also warranted. There is some debate as to whether or not MDPs 'stack'. Different people have different opinions and takes on it. Ultimately it is up to GOLD to decide what they consider to be their obligations as per the treaty and what they wish to do with the treaty. Your involvement in this does not look good.

[KingSrqt]

RossGarner, on Sep 12 2007, 01:40 PM, said:

Classy.

Its funny that EoTRS seems to be the one commanding GOLD here, enjoy it while you can, getting your allies into a war in which they have no chance of winning is a great way to repay old relations, sometimes alliances leader should think about what the consequences of their decisions mean for their alliances and its friends.

No chance of winning huh? your ignorance astounds me. Although I suppose someone from the so called "Justice League" would look at the self preservation aspect well over the honoring treaties aspect based on the short history of your little coalition.

[Electron Sponge]

It's war, people. Stop acting like both sides aren't going to use whatever means are at their disposal to win.

I see absolutely no problem with what Doitzel and Spak said.

[der_ko]

Electron Sponge, on Sep 12 2007, 07:45 PM, said:

It's war, people. Stop acting like both sides aren't going to use whatever means are at their disposal to win.

I see absolutely no problem with what Doitzel and Spak said.

UjP isn't pretending to be better then anyone, your side however is.