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How to design a good flag The basics of vexillology

#21 User is offline   Sovyet Gelibolu 

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Posted 20 February 2008 - 04:31 PM

View PostCirrus, on Feb 20 2008, 02:49 PM, said:

Photoshop
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Paint Shop Pro

Paint will do it for you if it's super simple, I guess.

Or if you have the near-infinite patience required to go through thousands of pixels and make miniscule color changes to each one individually.

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Posted 21 February 2008 - 04:16 PM

Another rather strange flag is the Mozambiqu flag

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It depicts a hoe for farming which is quite unusual in Mozambique. The book is also quite startling to see on the flag as well in a country renown for poverty. However the symolism of the AK-47 with attached bayonet is unmatched on any other flag I've seen. If you noticed as well, the Russian red and star is also quite evident from when the USSR were the main protectors and suppliers of weapons to Mozambique. The Russian red is also quite evident on some of the other flags, like the Angolan one below. The green, black, white and yellow, in my opnion do a good job of capturing the African colours. Perhaps the only failing from the perscribed list above is that the left side of the flag is far more detailed than the right and center of the flag. However, if I heard right, they are planning on doing away with this flag - the AK portaits too much of a negaitive image. In some ways this is a real shame as it is perhaps a rare kind of flag that says so much just by a simple image and colouring. On the other hand, perhaps what Mozambique really needs in a clean break from the past... the arguements are endless.

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Posted 21 February 2008 - 08:59 PM

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I made that for a RP, I think it fits well. It has 3 Alchemic Symbols that represent words, the Green banner to reprsent farming, a major part of the nation, it's outlined in gold, showing Royalty or superiority. It's purple because I wanted it to be purple.

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Posted 21 February 2008 - 10:16 PM

View Postameris, on Feb 19 2008, 04:01 PM, said:

OOC: You might also want to use Lybia's national flag as a bad flag. Sometimes, having a flag too simple is bad.


Nope, it follows rule #5. It was a US Colony.

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Posted 21 February 2008 - 11:24 PM

^
That's Liberia, not Lybia. Different countries.

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Posted 22 February 2008 - 12:15 AM

Here is a flag that breaks a few rules.
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That is the Canadian Red Ensign. Though it was never officially Canada's flag, it was flown above the parliament buildings for many years and was used to represent our military over seas. I personally believe it is truly beautiful even if it does break many of the rules outlined in the OP.
The color red in the background of the flag symbolizes life and blood -- blood shed in the settlement of this country and in wars to preserve basic freedoms. The Union Jack is rather self explanatory. Canada was founded with strong ties to Great Britain. I won't get into the explanation of the Union Jack. Needless to say, it has tons of symbolism. All of which was translated into this flag as well.

The Canadian coat of arms is on the right side of the flag. This is the element of the flag which breaks the rules seeing as it is so detailed. It speaks greatly to Canadian history. The crest contains three maples leaves with stems joined. The three leaves represent the component peoples of Canada: the natives, the French and English original settlers, and the others, mostly European, who came later. The veins of the leaves are gold, symbolizing wealth -- wealth created through unity and passion for this land and hard work. The Maple Leaf, of course, also represents the forests of Canada -- a most important contributor to the nation's wealth.
The emblems within the crest reflect the origins of our founding peoples. the couchant lion (upper left), emblem of William of Normandy, has been used by the British monarchs since 1066. It represents both the British and French settlers. The red lion rampant (upper right) was the emblem of the Scottish monarchs. From Cape Breton to Glengarry County, Ontario, Scots, many refugees from the Highland clearances, were important early settlers and leaders (like Sir John A. Macdonald) in Canada. The harp (lower left) is a symbol of Ireland -- another important source of our founding people. The fleur de lis symbolizes the early French settlers of Canada, who brought this as an emblem of a royalist not a republican France.

I didn't intend for this explanation to get so long. As you can see the flag holds more symbolism that most. Being a Canadian, it means the world to me. Just goes to show you that even if a flag doesn't follow the rules, it can still hold just as much (if not more) meaning to those who reside under it.

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Posted 22 February 2008 - 10:43 AM

This is a great guide. :)

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Posted 22 February 2008 - 11:14 AM

The question, KillerTomato, is what the purpose of the flag is supposed to be. Being meaningful is good, but ultimately the point of a flag is to easily identify your group. Look at all the flags using exactly the same pattern of a red field with a Union Jack in the canton and a shield-shaped crest to the right. How are casual observers supposed to tell the difference?

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Fiji Merchant Ensign

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Manitoba

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Bermuda

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Ontario

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South Africa (1910-1928)

Check out how many similar flags there are in the world. It's pretty amazing.

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Posted 23 February 2008 - 07:16 AM

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Ours is more of a banner than a flag.

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Posted 23 February 2008 - 02:05 PM

Without your name on the flag, Itd be great :D

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Posted 23 February 2008 - 06:47 PM

View PostEudaimonia, on Feb 23 2008, 05:16 AM, said:

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Ours is more of a banner than a flag.

Can a 5 year old draw it? Heck, I couldn't. Way too complicated.

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Posted 23 February 2008 - 07:51 PM

I'm pretty sure the guy that made it is a professional graphic designer.

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Posted 23 February 2008 - 08:15 PM

View PostCirrus, on Feb 22 2008, 10:14 AM, said:

The question, KillerTomato, is what the purpose of the flag is supposed to be. Being meaningful is good, but ultimately the point of a flag is to easily identify your group. Look at all the flags using exactly the same pattern of a red field with a Union Jack in the canton and a shield-shaped crest to the right. How are casual observers supposed to tell the difference?

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Fiji Merchant Ensign

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Manitoba

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Bermuda

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Ontario

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South Africa (1910-1928)

Check out how many similar flags there are in the world. It's pretty amazing.


Their similarity speaks to their purpose though. Nearly all the nations or territories/provinces using the ensign design (red ensign, blue ensign, white ensign, etc.) are historically British colonies or members of the British military.
Just as the New Polar Order's flag is very similar to that of the New Pacific Order. The design similarity of the flag speaks to it's roots and those who had a major hand in founding it.

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Posted 23 February 2008 - 10:23 PM

What do you think of our Flag at The Empire?

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 02:10 AM

I love that flag.
I don't love what it stands for.

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 01:55 PM

View PostJohnsky, on Feb 20 2008, 12:10 PM, said:

In which program did all of you made their flags? Paint?

If you have the time to learn Adobe Illustrator, it's the best program to design a flag in. It's all completely vector art (don't ask me to explain that one here, it would be far better to look it up); so you should end up with smooth lines and complete control of how large you would like it to be every time. It's used to create logos (so they can be resized later), and is generally a good test for a flag's design. If you can't recreate it in Illustrator (heavy photo effects and the like), it generally couldn't be mass-produced, and thus wouldn't be an effective flag. [OOC, all of that is generally irrelevant in a web-based game of course, but I suppose I'm a bit of a purist.]

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 03:33 PM

View PostKillerTomato, on Feb 24 2008, 12:10 AM, said:

I love that flag.
I don't love what it stands for.

The ORIGINAL German Empire actually wasn't all that bad, it was WWII Germany that was pure evil. The orignal German Empire tried to make a Navy and support their allies, and they got their arses handed to them for doing so.

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 04:17 PM

View PostBaronUberstein, on Feb 24 2008, 03:33 PM, said:

The ORIGINAL German Empire actually wasn't all that bad, it was WWII Germany that was pure evil. The orignal German Empire tried to make a Navy and support their allies, and they got their arses handed to them for doing so.


That isn't what he meant, he is just a sour White Supremest we caught in The Empire and Ejected him. And The German Empire didn't get their arses handed to them, they fought very well, just with US Aid and such they lost.

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 05:45 PM

View PostKaiser Frederick II, on Feb 24 2008, 03:17 PM, said:

That isn't what he meant, he is just a sour White Supremest we caught in The Empire and Ejected him. And The German Empire didn't get their arses handed to them, they fought very well, just with US Aid and such they lost.


Oh the baseless accusations sting!
Don't clutter up the thread with your tactless assault against my person.

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Posted 24 February 2008 - 05:46 PM

View PostBaronUberstein, on Feb 24 2008, 02:33 PM, said:

The ORIGINAL German Empire actually wasn't all that bad, it was WWII Germany that was pure evil. The orignal German Empire tried to make a Navy and support their allies, and they got their arses handed to them for doing so.


I was not referring to to the German empire in the real world.
I am very aware of their noble existance.

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