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#1 User is offline   iangator 

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 10:58 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2...1/23/bush.iraq/

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush and his top aides publicly made 935 false statements about the security risk posed by Iraq in the two years following September 11, 2001, according to a study released Tuesday by two nonprofit journalism groups.
"In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003," reads an overview of the examination, conducted by the Center for Public Integrity and its affiliated group, the Fund for Independence in Journalism.

According to the study, Bush and seven top officials -- including Vice President Dick Cheney, former Secretary of State Colin Powell and then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice -- made 935 false statements about Iraq during those two years.

The study was based on a searchable database compiled of primary sources, such as official government transcripts and speeches, and secondary sources -- mainly quotes from major media organizations.

The study says Bush made 232 false statements about Iraq and former leader Saddam Hussein's possessing weapons of mass destruction, and 28 false statements about Iraq's links to al Qaeda.

Bush has consistently asserted that at the time he and other officials made the statements, the intelligence community of the U.S. and several other nations, including Britain, believed Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.

He has repeatedly said that despite the intelligence flaws, removing Hussein from power was the right thing to do.

The study, released Tuesday, says Powell had the second-highest number of false statements, with 244 about weapons and 10 about Iraq and al Qaeda.

Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and Press Secretary Ari Fleischer each made 109 false statements, it says. Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz made 85, Rice made 56, Cheney made 48 and Scott McLellan, also a press secretary, made 14, the study says.

"It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al Qaeda," the report reads, citing multiple government reports, including those by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, the 9/11 Commission and the multinational Iraq Survey Group, which reported that Hussein had suspended Iraq's nuclear program in 1991 and made little effort to revive it.

The overview of the study also calls the media to task, saying most media outlets didn't do enough to investigate the claims.

"Some journalists -- indeed, even some entire news organizations -- have since acknowledged that their coverage during those prewar months was far too deferential and uncritical," the report reads. "These mea culpas notwithstanding, much of the wall-to-wall media coverage provided additional, 'independent' validation of the Bush administration's false statements about Iraq."

The quotes in the study include an August 26, 2002, statement by Cheney to the national convention of the Veterans of Foreign Wars.

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us."


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Posted 23 January 2008 - 11:04 AM

Hmph. Politicians lie, news at eleven.

At least the media has gone out of their way to count how many times they were fooled.

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 11:11 AM

Is that all?

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 11:22 AM

we didn't know this before?

although quantifying it makes this a bit more absolute...

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 11:37 AM

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Hmph. Politicians lie, news at eleven.


Yes, but why do Americans let their leaders lie to them so consistently?


Canadian politicians get away with small lies, for the most part, because when they do get caught in a big one, we vote them out.


There are actually Americans who think George Bush is a good president.


It's frickin' unreal.

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 11:46 AM

View Postali akbar mind, on Jan 23 2008, 11:43 AM, said:

Yes, but why do Americans let their leaders lie to them so consistently?


Canadian politicians get away with small lies, for the most part, because when they do get caught in a big one, we vote them out.


There are actually Americans who think George Bush is a good president.


It's frickin' unreal.


Because Americans have been brainwashed into believing that the guy they didn't vote for would've been worse. That their votes can't change the outcomes. That it's 'not really all that bad'.

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 12:02 PM

So a "nonprofit" that has been funded by Soro's in the millions has a study. Forgive me if I dont pay atention.

Nonprofit doesnot mean unbiased. Usualy it means more biased becasue someone paid for it for some reason. And with nonprofits you dont know. If CBS runs a story I know they are owned by viacom. When these nonprofits come out with some study becasuse of the ways the laws on disclosure are it could be years if ever that we find out who actually funded the study.

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 12:14 PM

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Because Americans have been brainwashed into believing that the guy they didn't vote for would've been worse. That their votes can't change the outcomes. That it's 'not really all that bad'.



If Al Gore or John Kerry had been just let out of the lunatic asylum & were high on smack, they could have been better than George W.

Votes change outcomes, but would be much better suited if an organized support of a 3rd party candidate would be achieved.

Nothing would scare Washington more than knowing that the Dems & Reps had to seriously compete with a strong 3rd option.

but that is pure fantasy, as Americans are conditioned to think of politics in black & white, left & right, democrat vs. republican.

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 12:15 PM

I'm surprised Powell actually beat Bush in number of lies. Well done Bush!

EDIT: Actually no. 232 + 28 = 260, while 244 + 10=254. Bush wins by 6!

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 01:37 PM

So, where's this study?

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 01:44 PM

View PostLord GVChamp, on Jan 23 2008, 02:43 PM, said:

So, where's this study?


http://www.publicint...f...view&id=945

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 01:58 PM

View Postali akbar mind, on Jan 23 2008, 05:43 PM, said:

Yes, but why do Americans let their leaders lie to them so consistently?


Canadian politicians get away with small lies, for the most part, because when they do get caught in a big one, we vote them out.


There are actually Americans who think George Bush is a good president.


It's frickin' unreal.

I can't even begin to deconstruct you. Candian Politicians, I guarentee, lie as much as American ones. You just don't catch em as much, maybe?

Bush isn't a bad president. History won't judge him so. It's just the advent of the internet and quick-spread media that makes him out to be worse than he is.

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 01:59 PM

View Postali akbar mind, on Jan 23 2008, 06:20 PM, said:

If Al Gore or John Kerry had been just let out of the lunatic asylum & were high on smack, they could have been better than George W.

Votes change outcomes, but would be much better suited if an organized support of a 3rd party candidate would be achieved.

Nothing would scare Washington more than knowing that the Dems & Reps had to seriously compete with a strong 3rd option.

but that is pure fantasy, as Americans are conditioned to think of politics in black & white, left & right, democrat vs. republican.

If you're going to keep it up with the accusations, I want proof and a though out argument as to the detriments of the American population, as you are slandering our sovereign representative and our process of thought.

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 02:07 PM

View Postiangator, on Jan 23 2008, 07:50 PM, said:


It calls its self public integrity.

Oh dear.


EDIT: My explanation for that comment is my natural cynicism telling me not to trust anything by that name.

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 04:02 PM

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Not Suprising, considering what his


Not Suprising, considering what his dad did.

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 04:05 PM

The thing about this report, is it reporting accidental mistruths, say in a speech someone says 5% instead of 4%, or deliberate mistruths, or both?

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 04:13 PM

He also said men and fish should live peaceful together

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 04:15 PM

View PostSmallfrog, on Jan 23 2008, 04:11 PM, said:

The thing about this report, is it reporting accidental mistruths, say in a speech someone says 5% instead of 4%, or deliberate mistruths, or both?


It looks like they're reporting both. Nothing on the scale of "Oops, we said 5% instead of 4%," more of "There is no doubt Hussein has WMD's and is intending to use them on Israel."

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 04:26 PM

personally, who cares? all politicians, whether they be Democrat, Republican, Independent, from Canada, Britain, etc lie in some way, shape and form. just because people don't notice it sometimes doesn't mean its not happening everyday. And Bush certainly by no means is the worst president ever to run the US. that goes to Carter. personally, if the left leaning liberal media has nothing better to do than count how many times every politician lies or how many mistakes they make in a speech, then that's their issue. it all explains why network news ratings are declining and newspapers are being less and less read.

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 04:27 PM

View PostRobert Davidson, on Jan 23 2008, 10:31 PM, said:

personally, who cares? all politicians, whether they be Democrat, Republican, Independent, from Canada, Britain, etc lie in some way, shape and form. just because people don't notice it sometimes doesn't mean its not happening everyday. And Bush certainly by no means is the worst president ever to run the US. that goes to Carter. personally, if the left leaning liberal media has nothing better to do than count how many times every politician lies or how many mistakes they make in a speech, then that's their issue. it all explains why network news ratings are declining and newspapers are being less and less read.


Carter is my favorite president (no offense)!!!!!!!!

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