Recognition of Attention-Seeking

[Sephiroth]

AE is defunct now? Did LN/CA really just win this one?

 

:huh:

I'm not sure beating them is even worth bragging about, but I think this is as clear of a victory as can be. Their defeat was obvious early on from my perspective, but RR chose this over admitting defeat it seems.

[Stonewall14]

Yup RR threw her/it's alliance mates to the wolves and is sitting in peace mode in an AA alone,,, :facepalm: I'm embarrassed for them and their former allies...I will however continue to use this oppurtunity to get my new recruit's cherries popped and teach them some war skills... :war:

[Cusj820]

RR criticize Methrage for his posting style, obsessions and many other "faults".  But Meth had shown that he is honorable, that he is willing to be on perma-war for his members sins.  In the other hand we have what RR did today, a complete disregard for its members.  Leaving them outside in the jungle to be eaten.

 

RR, you are not a leader, you have no honor and no loyalty for your members, protectors and "friends".

[Neo Uruk]

AE is defunct now? Did LN/CA really just win this one?
 
:huh:

Hol up.

[Ogaden]

This will be one for the record books, for all the wrong reasons

Edited August 31, 2014 by Ogaden

[RevolutionaryRebel]

Some Clarification, since some people seem to think that they know everything.

1. The Alternian Empire was going to disband regardless of the conflict. Myself, along with the majority of the senior members no longer had the passion/time for running the alliance. We had a number of other problems to attend to well before this, and while it was not planned to be this rapid, there has been discussion of this well in advance.

2. I have personally spoken to a number of members, as well as made several alliance announcements about my intentions. My alliance-mates are as well-informed as possible short of sending out a private message to each member.
 
3. I explicitly set out instructions for those who did not plan on rolling on with the war, and received an abysmally-low response. Of the people that didn't express a desire to play onwards, the rest planned on deleting. Those that did respond positively, were spoken to should have no problems moving on from here.

As an additional note, seeing as I really don't want to make a stupid memorial topic or what-have-you...

I never actually intended on being the leader of the Alternian Empire for more than a few months, let alone for this long. I'm not your average leader-type, I just happened to be the guy that started everything happening and ultimately; the one that (initially at the very least) held enough commitment, experience and the right 'head' for setting things up and so forth. Diplomacy has always been my thing (ooc: moreso irl) and to begin with, that was very important for the alliance. I did a very good job in hindsight, of presenting the alliance and despite a tendency to speak my mind on issues of no relevance to the alliance (the reason why ogaden has been replying to my posts for the last few months, lol) managed to pain a veneer of respectability over what was always a very fragile operation. I simply didn't have the time to spare on leading the whole goddamn thing solo; neglecting the 'little things' needed for everything to operate as I was far more interested in the community than the game.

Unfortunately, the person I saw as being the most suitable successor chose to move on and assisted an attempted coup/forced merger at the start of this year, which killed off all passion I had to continue onwards. I'm not intense enough for that kind of stupid bullshit. To be an effective leader, I would have to invest more of myself than I would very want to and having seen what happens to 'successful leaders' elsewhere, it wasn't every an attractive proposition.

AE's downfall was on multiple levels. First, while we continued to have an inflow of new members from parts unknown (while y'all recruit people already in CN, we actively introduced people to cn), retention of these people was terrible partially due to lack of investment and partially due to people not finding the game an attractive proposition. Second, Our focus was singularly on economics, due to our lack of anyone with current military experience, which limited us to the most boring aspects of the game. Third, I forgot to leave the AA before hitting methrage. I haven't rogued before, ok? First-timer mistake there.

Methrage, had you and your friends not displayed a complete lack of appreciation for humour and any kind of depth (wow, impress me with old insults everyone's seen on the owf for the last 8 years :rolleyes:), I probably would be okay with some form of recognition of defeat. But the arrogance, the flippancy, the sheer petulance displayed by yourself both prior and during the conflict was such that I would rather complete the disbanding of the Alternian Empire than create another shitty thread invoking your name. Nothing about your success surprised me; in fact, the war played out about as expected, though I did hope that those highlighted to your behaviour by the conflict would've stayed around longer (lol, Kaskus). The wonder metagame was indeed the big difference I thought it to be and confirmed the level of commitment required of new nations to be competitive against older peers, even while holding a major tech and infra advantage.
 
Yes, the only 'apology' I would've written would be along the lines of 'I apologise for not having more wonders', since having seen your behaviour first-hand, I had absolutely no regrets over the initial decision. Seeing as you probably wouldn't have accepted that, this course of actions will actually do more good for ex-members than butting their heads against a brick wall.

 

Apparently stealing ops is a valid was strategy for some, but seeing as we weren't ever real IRC users, it didn't do much other than affirm how stupid people treat cybernations in the first place. Grow the fuck up, or at least try and be a bit classier with your childish behaviour. I'm going to enjoy having time on dealing with real people and real problems, rather than all this fake stuff.

 

People play cn at first because they're interested in the game. They stay for the community. We already had a community before infiltrating cybernations and despite its own problems, it's a hell of a lot more vibrant overall than this one.

[RevolutionaryRebel]

Basically,

 

[Sephiroth]

Your attitude towards me from the start guaranteed I would have a negative attitude back towards you, give and you shall receive. Also Kaskus stuck around longer than you or your alliance. Pretty sure gantanx is still fighting and the one Unknown Smurf peaced out left your alliance.

 

This negative situation for yourself has been entirely of your own making, you shouldn't of dragged your alliance down in your little fit of rage and thrown them into a war you knew they'd lose since you were mad about the merger. I'm not even sure what I said to provoke you, but you never tried to be pleasant towards me once.

[RevolutionaryRebel]

Merger? See, here you go assuming things again. That happened all of 4-5 months ago - it was only relevant to this war so far as killing-off my remaining enthusiasm, and it's something I more or less got over since. I haven't been enraged that much over events during this war, other than at your behaviour during the very brief periods during which I sought to deal with things more seriously.

 

As for not knowing what you said? I think that's your biggest personal problem, actually. You aren't able to recognise when you say things that rub people the wrong way. But hey, whatever. Not going over irc logs or messages to drag out the muck. You have plenty of that already.

 

Gantax stopped attacking after turboswag's initial counter, so I couldn't care less about that. Smurf was dealt with behind the scenes, having leant on TPF to cut that out of the situation.

[Sephiroth]

As for not knowing what you said? I think that's your biggest personal problem, actually. You aren't able to recognise when you say things that rub people the wrong way. But hey, whatever. Not going over irc logs or messages to drag out the muck. You have plenty of that already.

I didn't rub you in any direction, until you started making me pay attention to YOU, as you rubbed me the wrong way on purpose. In your attempt to force my attention upon you, that's what you got. What you did with my attention on you wasn't smart.

 

I had never even spoken with you or said anything about you/your alliance before you declared on me. If you get so angry when you see me say something negative about a treaty between two alliances not even related to you, then you have issues. Nothing which was said after you declared could be the reason why.

Edited August 31, 2014 by Methrage

[RevolutionaryRebel]

4) You jumped on the bandwagon of "Kill methrage" and wasn't expecting anyone to kick your ass, when they did you disbanded.
5) this is what you get for bandwagoning.

One of the biggest misconceptions, really. It wasn't a bandwagon until we came in. LPH was fighting solo and then suddenly when one other AA gets involved, everybody goes 'OH NOES, HOW CUD YEW?' Yeah, no. LPH deserved a little better than what they were getting, so being painted as a villain was probably one of the more unexpected consequences. I don't mind, though.
 
Say what you like about TPF or AE. At least they didn't declare open raiding season, before recanting their position and backing away as fast as they could. While AE did seek peace early, it was because I wanted to remove everyone save myself from the conflict. Stated as much, too. Once diplomatic options were exhausted, I rarely looked back.

The feeling is something like a spiritual healer
That could end me, I think that’s the part I find intriguing
A little bit off I am, I am, I am
I see that im caught I am, I am, I am
It’s something like a spiritual healer that could end me
I think that's the part I find intriguing, im fiending

Edited August 31, 2014 by RevolutionaryRebel

[Unknown Smurf]

Merger? See, here you go assuming things again. That happened all of 4-5 months ago - it was only relevant to this war so far as killing-off my remaining enthusiasm, and it's something I more or less got over since. I haven't been enraged that much over events during this war, other than at your behaviour during the very brief periods during which I sought to deal with things more seriously.

 

As for not knowing what you said? I think that's your biggest personal problem, actually. You aren't able to recognise when you say things that rub people the wrong way. But hey, whatever. Not going over irc logs or messages to drag out the muck. You have plenty of that already.

 

Gantax stopped attacking after turboswag's initial counter, so I couldn't care less about that. Smurf was dealt with behind the scenes, having leant on TPF to cut that out of the situation.

 

I was dealt with how? TPF basically told us to get reps from you.. 

 

 

21:06 HailSatan: Hello, heard your trying to get ahold of TPF govt... well I am finally around. 

22:26 UnknownSmurf: Hey

22:26 UnknownSmurf: Yes

22:27 UnknownSmurf: Your protectorate seems to have attacked methrages alliance just because revolutionary rebel was looking for someone to hit

22:27 UnknownSmurf: before he quit the game

22:27 UnknownSmurf: (or so he claimed after the fact)

22:27 HailSatan: right ... 

22:27 UnknownSmurf: and they are an ally of an ally and I'd really hate to see this escalate

22:27 UnknownSmurf: But it

22:27 UnknownSmurf: has been 4 days since the incident occured without me being able to get in contact with TPF govt

22:27 HailSatan: so ally of a ally , is good enough reason to join the bandwagon ?

22:28 UnknownSmurf: Heh, bandwaggon? Hardly. 

22:28 UnknownSmurf: Your protectorate jumped on a 5 person AA 

22:28 HailSatan: yeah well, if you were to come to our forums, it would have been quicker 

22:28 UnknownSmurf: that was being hit by 2 different AAs.

22:28 UnknownSmurf: Yeah I should've done that, my apologies. I rarely used forums these days

22:29 UnknownSmurf: use*

22:29 HailSatan: i notice... went on Kaskus's . its a ghostland. 

22:29 HailSatan: its like damn, that seems to be a norm as of late 

22:30 HailSatan: like public irc channels 

22:30 UnknownSmurf: Yeah with the in-game alliance features forums seem to have lost their purpose

22:31 HailSatan: well since AE went aggressive against LN , without notifing us prior , he is on his own with that . 

22:31 UnknownSmurf: I respect your decision there, but I still don't think AE as a whole should suffer for his actions

22:31 HailSatan: I would really hate to see things get out of control over methrage and rey . 

22:31 HailSatan: ffs 

22:32 HailSatan: he is there leader, if his AA doesnt want to follow with, they should go to PM

22:32 UnknownSmurf: Agreed. Is there anyone competent we can put AEs hands in?

22:33 UnknownSmurf: Have him step down?

22:33 HailSatan: as most AA's , once the leader goes inactive the AA usually either merges or goes poof after a length of time 

22:33 UnknownSmurf: Unfortunate, but that is the way things go I guess.

22:33 HailSatan: people join other AA that are active enough that is 

22:34 HailSatan: as far as Rev stepping down, i dont see that happening. I doubt it highly that he will do it. 

22:35 HailSatan: How many are actually doing anything though. 

22:35 UnknownSmurf: He told me that he intends to quit the game? I'm not sure if he was being honest though. 

22:35 HailSatan: we got 9 active wars out of 20 in war mode 

22:35 UnknownSmurf: I'm trying to do what is in my power to get this all peaced out

22:35 HailSatan: thats 3 with full slots 

22:35 UnknownSmurf: On AE? 

22:36 UnknownSmurf: We haven't even initiated attacks on them, we wanted to speak to you guys first. 

22:36 HailSatan: 3 nations with offensive wars . 

22:36 HailSatan: the rest defensive . 

22:36 UnknownSmurf: Right.

22:36 HailSatan: i would say they are getting asses kicked atm 

22:37 HailSatan: http://www.cybernations.net/war_information.asp?ID=766282

22:37 HailSatan: i would say LN is having more fun with AE than the other way around 

22:38 HailSatan: Rev seems to like to talk more than action.

22:38 UnknownSmurf: Seems that way yes.

22:38 UnknownSmurf: I'm not sure if you are aware but he tried to ask me to give peace to AE so that we could concentrate our efforts on Kashmir

22:38 UnknownSmurf: (who is also at war with KN)

22:38 UnknownSmurf: ..which seemed like a real !@#$%* move imo

22:38 HailSatan: it is that way, all three wars , they are getting their asses kicked . 

22:39 HailSatan: seems LN is gaining in the action 

22:39 UnknownSmurf: Seems so, yes. I think that is irrelevant to the point, unless RR is trying to surrender.

22:40 UnknownSmurf: Unfortunately I was just on my way out the door, so maybe we can continue this later? I hope all is well with TPF. 

22:40 HailSatan: so you want me to stop AE? i dont know, LN might not want at this point, they are bleading cash and tech and land . 

22:41 HailSatan: TPF is TPF, beating a dead whore for the last bj 

22:41 UnknownSmurf: Eh I don't think you need to stop AE or anything. I think RR will come around when he is ready, which seems like it'll be sooner rather than later. 

22:41 UnknownSmurf: Also lol. 

22:44 HailSatan: I will be around.. 

22:51 UnknownSmurf: http://pastebin.com/cGLTYadB

22:51 UnknownSmurf: ^ him trying to sell out Kashmir

22:51 UnknownSmurf: if you're curious

22:53 HailSatan: he keeps saying Kashmir and Kaskus has a different front than him..

22:53 UnknownSmurf: Kashmir hit a guy (stonewall) in KN who a long time ago stole money from them

22:53 UnknownSmurf: they ZIed him a while ago and then he joined KN

22:53 UnknownSmurf: Kashmir then hit him again recently

22:53 HailSatan: i dont like politics or dealing with people, actually. when it gets annoying, its annoying 

22:54 UnknownSmurf: while Kashmir (and LPH) hit him, RR/AE decided to hit KN also

22:54 UnknownSmurf: Kashmir agreed to that they got what they wanted from stonewall when I inquired and that front is supposedly done

22:54 HailSatan: because he is friends with rey or gets along with him . 

22:54 HailSatan: i see Kashmir peaced out their wars . 

22:55 UnknownSmurf: Yeah.

22:55 UnknownSmurf: I'm not sure where we are on the other front, but I really ahve to get going

22:55 UnknownSmurf: Apologies but I have work in 35 minutes and I need to shower

22:55 UnknownSmurf: I'll jump in the shower and check this one last time in like 20 minutes

22:55 HailSatan: so its just RR and AE to do whatever , at this point if i was in LN , i would not want it to end , due to the fact they are raping them 

22:55 UnknownSmurf: if you have any questions between now and then

22:55 UnknownSmurf: Yeah

22:56 UnknownSmurf: But.. at the same time they just want to be left alone

22:56 UnknownSmurf: Which is why I'm trying to get everyone to just peace out

22:56 HailSatan: you can get war and get tech/land/money and maybe get reps in the end 

22:56 UnknownSmurf is now known as US|Away

22:56 HailSatan: thats a win/win for them 

22:56 US|Away: I don't think reps will happen, and noone in AE has any money

22:56 US|Away: I guess tech/land yes, but its negligible at this point. 

22:56 HailSatan: they have 24 members, someone has cash, turboswag ... 

22:57 HailSatan: so to you, why join in when LN is actually coming out ahead in this process?

22:57 HailSatan: to end it or make it larger because the world of bob is a boring place lately 

23:00 HailSatan: i dont think willing to make it larger over methrage and rey and someone that doesnt think through (rev) 

23:06 US|Away: I entered hoping it would get someone from TPFs attention and to keep my protectorate (TIR who is oDoAP'd to KN) from entering

23:06 HailSatan: I have been following it . 

23:07 HailSatan: as i have told rev he is on his own .. 

23:07 US|Away: Right.

23:07 US|Away: I must admit I wasn't as on top of it as I usually am

23:07 HailSatan: but, with you attacking, can put us in a sticky situation though . 

23:07 US|Away: was on vacation/as you said CN is boring

23:08 HailSatan: on one hand , we should do something, on the other  its not worth it 

23:08 US|Away: I understand, you have to do what you have to do. I have sent peace to that nation if that puts your mind at ease. He surrendered anyways..

23:08 HailSatan: just dont want others to think they can just do what they want 

23:08 US|Away: offc

23:08 HailSatan: offc?

23:08 HailSatan: i dont feel like looking it oup 

23:08 HailSatan: up

23:09 HailSatan: ah 

23:09 US|Away: ofcourse*

23:09 US|Away: sorry getting ready as I type

23:12 Disconnected

 

To: Unknown Smurf    From: HailSatan    Date: 8/27/2014 8:07:46 PM

Subject: RE: Hey man

 

Message: I have been getting on IRC lately. But, hey you tried. lay waste. I suggested to RR that he step down and whoever else wanted to go rogue to do it, get peace terms for the rest of AE, we shall see where that goes.

 

 

 

--

 

 

The surrender: 

 

To: ChocolatCode    From: Unknown Smurf    Date: 8/28/2014 10:17:37 AM

Subject: Surrender? 

 

Message: Hey man.

All you have to do is say you surrender and it's over. RevRebel is being stubborn, the rest of you guys don't need to burn for him if you don't want to.

But if you do, I look forward to more casualties :)

 

 

To: Unknown Smurf    From: ChocolatCode    Date: 8/28/2014 9:52:42 PM

Subject: RE: Surrender? 

 

Message: okay. thanks for the break, guy

 

To: Unknown Smurf    From: ChocolatCode    Date: 8/28/2014 9:53:25 PM

Subject: Peace Offer

 

Message: A peace offer has been submitted by ChocolatCode for the following reason: Cessation of Hostilities

As soon as both nations accept peace the war will end. If either nation attacks one another this peace offer will be automatically canceled.

 

To: ChocolatCode    From: Unknown Smurf    Date: 8/28/2014 10:01:38 PM

Subject: RE: Surrender? 

 

Message: You have to leave the AA for the duration of the war and agree not to aid anyone on the AA unfortunately.

 

To: ChocolatCode    From: Unknown Smurf    Date: 8/28/2014 10:01:52 PM

Subject: RE: Surrender? 

 

Message: Do you still agree to surrender? I can't accept the peace until you agree to that.

 

To: Unknown Smurf    From: ChocolatCode    Date: 8/29/2014 8:42:49 PM

Subject: RE: Surrender? 

 

Message: yeah i'll agree to that stuff

if it makes you feel better, the AA won't be around much longer, rev is planning to disband or merge.

Edited August 31, 2014 by Unknown Smurf

[RevolutionaryRebel]

See? That stuff?

 

Yeah. That's the stuff I don't want to get into. It's petty, it's a waste of time. I don't have the right persona to save logs, to try and corner people or play hardball.  But you think it's worth it so you're welcome.

[Unknown Smurf]

See? That stuff?

 

Yeah. That's the stuff I don't want to get into. It's petty, it's a waste of time. I don't have the right persona to save logs, to try and corner people or play hardball.  But you think it's worth it so you're welcome.

 

Without logs or anything, please explain to me in your deluded mind how I was "leaned on" and/or "dealt with" 

 

:popcorn:

Edited August 31, 2014 by Unknown Smurf

[Unknown Smurf]

 

Gantax stopped attacking after turboswag's initial counter,

 

 

Also GantanX was nuking turboswag literally 2 hours before you posted this! 

 

8 thwarted though: http://www.cybernations.net/stats_news.asp?Search=Kaskus&SearchBy=Nation_Alliance

[RevolutionaryRebel]

Wowee dude. You continue to affirm my decision to leave cybernations.

 

I could never bring myself to look up those kinds of things. I simply looked at the damage stats for the war a few days  ago, noticed that turbo was beating him in terms of damage despite not logging in for several days and guessed he wasn't still fighting. The sheer amount of effort you are putting into my person. All because of that one time I made a silly post on one of Kaskus' topics? Meh. I have better things to do.

Edited August 31, 2014 by RevolutionaryRebel

[Sephiroth]

Wowee dude. You continue to affirm my decision to leave cybernations.

 

I could never bring myself to look up those kinds of things. I simply looked at the damage stats for the war a few days  ago, noticed that turbo was beating him in terms of damage despite not logging in for several days and guessed he wasn't still fighting. The sheer amount of effort you are putting into my person. All because of that one time I made a silly post on one of Kaskus' topics? Meh. I have better things to do.

Are you waiting in peace mode so you can come at me later; or are you staying in peace mode until you know you will be safe from attack?

 

If it is the latter, you can request an embassy to have a discussion regarding this with relavent interested parties, http://limitlessnexus.com/forum

[Unknown Smurf]

Wowee dude. You continue to affirm my decision to leave cybernations.

 

I could never bring myself to look up those kinds of things. I simply looked at the damage stats for the war a few days  ago, noticed that turbo was beating him in terms of damage despite not logging in for several days and guessed he wasn't still fighting. The sheer amount of effort you are putting into my person. All because of that one time I made a silly post on one of Kaskus' topics? Meh. I have better things to do.

 

? What post are you talking about?

 

You brought us up in this topic. 

You decided to lie about what TPF said to me. 

You decided to make assumptions about gantan's war in order to make you/your side sound better. 

 

I want to leave you alone, but you force yourself into these situations. You declared on methrage despite no treaty ties or any real reason to get inolved. If his posting bothers you that much, just put him on ignore. I honestly don't think that is the true reason you declared. You only wanted attention. You wanted the very thing you accuse him of doing. 

 

And now you are going to ragequit and you want me to pity you? 

 

EDIT: As for damage stats, it was skewed because turboswag was nuking Sigrun and Gantan but only receiving nukes back from Sigrun. As I'm sure you're aware you can only be nuked by 1 person per day. 

Edited August 31, 2014 by Unknown Smurf

[Auctor]

The levels of weepy ragequit itt are over 9000.

[Ch33kY]

On a more positive note, these wars are a good example of the unstable, chaotic nature of the periphery of civilization... those alliances which are never capable of elevating themselves far above the state of nature, the chaos of the frontier.

If only they would accept true Francoism and then they would have the stability and order needed for a good wholesome cyber-existence.

[RevolutionaryRebel]

I swear the game make you cold like abominable snow man.

 

Acutor, we disagreed over a few topics. It's great to know that when you have a disagreement with someone, you like to string it along rather than sort it out.

 

Smurf; I had/have no idea what TPF actually said to you until now. I presumed that they must've dissuaded you from further engagement since you clearly have more than two nations in your alliance. They chose not to disclose anything, so whatevs. In the past I would've bent over double to check these sorts of things first, but there's no point to it now. As for attention-seeking; I didn't make any owf posts at all about this until methrage chose to. He knows that when I talked peace terms with him earlier, I kept things more or less civil. I leave the fun and games aside when necessary, but sometimes, people only see the face and assume they know everything.

 

You certainly have no qualms bringing yourself and your opinions of me to my attention whenever you have an opportunity.

 

I don't want, nor expect shit. You can call this rage-quitting, but like I said, this is something I've been building up to for months. Everyone makes choices and deals with the consequences. Quitting has probably been the wrong word to describe my intentions at this point; it's more a release than anything else. A lot fewer things to worry about; things that in hindsight are pretty darn silly, petty, inconsequential.

 

Leading an alliance twists your mind, your perspective, your emotions. I'm glad I decided to end my service now, rather than allow it to corrupt further.

 

Meth; I'm not signing up to your forum just to make one post. I'll see you when/if I see you. Fin.

[Sephiroth]

I think its obvious by now this thread was just a plead for attention from you, this thread added nothing new after my recognition of war. Also even before I did my recognition of war, you did pseudo-DoW in the blogs sections. So you were the one really seeking out attention, I just did a recognition of hostilities because I thought it was silly and pointless to discuss your DoW in a different section.

[RevolutionaryRebel]

No, you made an owf thread because you wanted to look 'proper', so you can go 'oh, look; we're LN and we made an official-looking announcement about something, so respect us or I will be cross'. Same reason you brought rey's war up.

 

This thread may have been started for a bit of a lark, but you will notice how it has a lot fewer posts than the other thread. The point was made. You can stop spinning now. far as I'm concerned, you're talking to a brick wall.

[Sephiroth]

So says the 'hipster' who posts his DoWs in the blogs where nobody reads them. We could of destroyed you in the background, but you brought it to the forum. I just brought it to a part of the forum I actually read after that, so I would see what people are saying as well.

 

Although keep thinking you're to cool for announcements, which is why you posted this announcement. Funny how you resemble nothing close to an alliance by the end of our dealings, with the way you insisted on starting this by making it clear you would not view us as an alliance. Karma much. :P

Edited August 31, 2014 by Methrage

[The Pansy]

So says the 'hipster' who posts his DoWs in the blogs where nobody reads them. We could of destroyed you in the background, but you brought it to the forum. I just brought it to a part of the forum I actually read after that, so I would see what people are saying as well.
 
Although keep thinking you're to cool for announcements, which is why you posted this announcement. Funny how you resemble nothing close to an alliance by the end of our dealings, with the way you insisted on starting this by making it clear you would not view us as an alliance. Karma much. :P

Methrage disbanding alliances, something something worse than the NPO!!!