[Prawn]

Around nine months ago I was in the GPA under a different nation. As some people might remember it, I went nuke rogue on two members that were currently the President and Minster of Defense. After I was ZI'ed by the GPA for going rogue, I left CyberNations for quite a while. Recently I was discovered by the GPA. I was threatened with ZI. Thanks to my alliance, and a few other good friends, the GPA has decided to spare me. I am to pay them 60 million and 1000 tech.

I now pronounce my sincere apology to the GPA, Kristin_Marie, Angevin, and the many others whom I have caused economic and personal suffering. I hope that the GPA will accept this apology, and clear my name.


-Raize24
President of Friday Night Nukes,
Residing in, The Brigade.

[PussInBoots]

Apology accepted.

Your alliance have done you a great service. You should be proud to have such great alliance mates.

I hope that we will out this behind us, and that we may look towards a better future.

Best regards,

Kurushio

[Vulcan]

Very good

[King Penchuk]

Well that was quick.

[SeraphimJulius]

Aye very good indeed

[Artolia]

I remember you. Tis a good thing you are making right old wrongs.

[mykep]

luv the new avatar Kuru

[Pomiel]

Kuru, you rock

[Gene L]

I'm sorry, I thought that new nations were treated as different players altogether.

Thus ends the string of feel-good moves from the GPA.

Nevertheless, kudos for making amends for past transgressions, but the penalty is questionable.

[mykep]

it happend 9 months ago

[Quadrophenia]

I thank the GPA for their understanding. The talks were painless and quick and was relatively a good experience for us.


Edit: The attack in question may have happened almost a year ago but alot of damage was done to 3 high ranking GPA nations. I could understand why they would want to continue the punishment after they found out who Prawn was.

This post has been edited by Quadrophenia: 07 January 2008 - 10:08 PM

[Vindrstoc]

Jolly good show.
Well, something like that.
But oh well, it's good to see.

[Alter Leader Nabla]

Once again, Brigade prove to be one of the most respectable alliance of CN.

Also, GPA is getting better.

[CptGodzilla]

Gene L, on Jan 7 2008, 09:51 PM, said:

I'm sorry, I thought that new nations were treated as different players altogether.

Thus ends the string of feel-good moves from the GPA.

Nevertheless, kudos for making amends for past transgressions, but the penalty is questionable.

Many alliances don't go by that. Hell, for as long as i remember, each time a new nation that was on a old ZI list is found, s/he is zi'd again

so, no, i don't think that is the end of feel-good moves from GPA

[El Bruc]

Gene L, on Jan 7 2008, 07:51 PM, said:

I'm sorry, I thought that new nations were treated as different players altogether.

Only if nobody finds out. And it's pretty easy to not let anybody find out: it's called keeping your yap shut.

[King Scouser]

They're hefty terms, I'd think that they'd reduce the terms considering Kristin is not a member etc.

[El Bruc]

King Scouser, on Jan 8 2008, 05:47 PM, said:

They're hefty terms, I'd think that they'd reduce the terms considering Kristin is not a member etc.

For all we know, those were reduced. And I don't think they view who's still a member as relevant for these purposes.

This post has been edited by El Bruc: 08 January 2008 - 08:04 PM

[Scalare]

I'm also of the opinion that when your nation is deleted, your sanction of ZI is lifted. You can't kill a nation twice, you see.
This also serves as an urge to alliance leaders to clearly indicate what they mean by sanctioning someone with Perma ZI

[King Scouser]

El Bruc, on Jan 8 2008, 09:09 PM, said:

For all we know, those were reduced. And I don't think they view who's still a member as relevant for these purposes.

But 60 million and 1000 tech is a bit of overkill

[El Bruc]

Scalare, on Jan 8 2008, 06:17 PM, said:

I'm also of the opinion that when your nation is deleted, your sanction of ZI is lifted.

I do think that "perma-ZI" is just kind of vague, given all the possible options available - bring to ZI & then release, keep at ZI for (time period), keep at ZI until (appeal process), and keep at ZI forever-no-matter-what. Then there's the question of whether deletion clears the issue, which different people have different opinions on. However, it's up to each alliance to make these sovereign enforcement decisions themselves.

The argument against releasing someone just because they delete and recreate is that it makes for a quick escape from their sentence - a loophole that certain rogues might start relying on: "I might as well go nuts on 'em, then I'll just sell myself down to ZI, delete, recreate and do it again." Regardless of the mechanics involved, there's no point in giving amnesty to the unrepentant.

King Scouser, on Jan 8 2008, 06:22 PM, said:

But 60 million and 1000 tech is a bit of overkill

Man, you'd be amazed at some of the damages to be tallied up from nuking multiple 60KNS nations. I've seen Great Wars settled for less than the amounts involved. I wouldn't be surprised if those reps are in the ballpark of the actual damages. And why shouldn't they be more? If I break into your house and smash things, I shouldn't get off just by paying market value for the stuff I smashed.

This post has been edited by El Bruc: 08 January 2008 - 08:32 PM