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[quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1324504097' post='2883496']
You were talking about DH/PB vrs NPpO earlier this year when you said DH took a major hit so they are basically sitting out this war. Are you saying Mjolnir didn't fight hard in the previous war?
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Except for DT and Rok(who aren't really taking a huge hit on CSN 200k NS loss), they didn't really. I'll grant NoR's lower tiers were ravaged by NPO, but the same thing happened to us. Asgaard didn't get involved. The alliances that took heavy hits in DH/PB are still recovering from those effects.

I mean the alliances that are actually taking big hits are non-bloc alliances and I still don't know who thought TSCE on R&R was a good idea because it didn't help anything and I consider some of them friends, so it sucked to see.

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[quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1324504097' post='2883496']
You were talking about DH/PB vrs NPpO earlier this year when you said DH took a major hit so they are basically sitting out this war. Are you saying Mjolnir didn't fight hard in the previous war?
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Would anyone say that the MJ alliances as a collective fought hard in the previous war?

What Roq is saying is absolutely correct. I'm sure we'll end up being at the center of the next war anyway because this whole 'let other people plan the war' thing doesn't stay fun for very long.

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[quote name='Roquentin' timestamp='1324504209' post='2883499']
Except for DT and Rok(who aren't really taking a huge hit on CSN),[/quote]

CSN has caused 1.2 mill NS in damages. Considering they are fighting a starting total NS of 11.2 million (DT/RoK/Legacy), that is a 10.9% NS loss to DT/RoK/Legacy. CSN in turn lost 1.5 mill of its starting 3.6mill tNS which is 41.6% of it's NS.

So yes, DT/RoK/Legacy are doing a great job of taking down CSN, but I'd hardly say that the 1.2mill tNS they lost is nominal.

[quote] they didn't really. I'll grant NoR's lower tiers were ravaged by NPO, but the same thing happened to us. [/quote]

What lower tier?

[quote]Asgaard didn't get involved. The alliances that took heavy hits in DH/PB are still recovering from those effects.[/quote]

Like NPO? TPF? TOP? The only alliances sitting this one out that fought hard in the other major war earlier this year are your allies.


EDIT: Sorry, one of your allies is fighting hard. You've just forgotten about your MDoAP partner Sparta apparently.

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[quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1324505520' post='2883512']
CSN has caused 1.2 mill NS in damages. Considering they are fighting a starting total NS of 11.2 million (DT/RoK/Legacy), that is a 10.9% NS loss to DT/RoK/Legacy. CSN in turn lost 1.5 mill of its starting 3.6mill tNS which is 41.6% of it's NS.

So yes, DT/RoK/Legacy are doing a great job of taking down CSN, but I'd hardly say that the 1.2mill tNS they lost is nominal.



What lower tier?



Like NPO? TPF? TOP? The only alliances sitting this one out that fought hard in the other major war earlier this year are your allies.


EDIT: Sorry, one of your allies is fighting hard. You've just forgotten about your MDoAP partner Sparta apparently.
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TPF is fighting hard? Not to mention they conserved the vast majority of their bigger nations in PM and an alliance that did the same in TOOL merged into them. I already highlighted the overkill on FAN. TOP hit mostly peripheral alliances and I doubt they'll say they took a big hit. NPO has lost maybe 2.5M NS and it's only because it was someone's bright idea to push DoS's and are able to move from one front to another.

My ally? Check my AA. That's not to say I still don't feel an attachment to Sparta and feel pretty bad about what's happening to them. They know how I feel about it.

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[quote name='Roquentin' timestamp='1324505867' post='2883514']
TPF is fighting hard? [/quote]

-10% total NS.

[quote]Not to mention they conserved the vast majority of their bigger nations in PM and an alliance that did the same in TOOL merged into them. [/quote]

TPF did not use the peace mode strategy in DH. In fact they fought damn hard, I don't know about TOOL.

[quote]TOP hit mostly peripheral alliances and I doubt they'll say they took a big hit.[/quote]
-11.6% total NS.

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NPO has lost maybe 2.5M NS and it's only because it was someone's bright idea to push DoS's and are able to move from one front to another.
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-16.5% total NS.


For comparison sake. Umbrella has -0.3% total NS. MK has GAINED 3.4% total NS. And GOONS has -8.1% total NS since the beginning of the war.

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[quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1324506322' post='2883521']
-10% total NS.



TPF did not use the peace mode strategy in DH. In fact they fought damn hard, I don't know about TOOL.

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Yes, they did, they were even behind it. There were some people like JBone and Vol Navy who came out anyway, but for the most part their bigger nations were in PM the entire time.

10% ns loss is a big deal now? lol

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[quote name='lebubu' timestamp='1324506393' post='2883522']
No we didn't.
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Based on [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=11169&view=findpost&p=2883373]these[/url] stats.


[quote name='Roquentin' timestamp='1324506414' post='2883524']
Yes, they did, they were even behind it. There were some people like JBone and Vol Navy who came out anyway, but for the most part their bigger nations were in PM the entire time.

10% ns loss is a big deal now? lol
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I can't find the stats page, but I'm pretty sure Umbrella lost less than that in DH-NPO

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[quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1324506919' post='2883529']
Based on [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=11169&view=findpost&p=2883373]these[/url] stats.




I can't find the stats page, but I'm pretty sure Umbrella lost less than that in DH-NPO
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You do realize that had a lot to do with people joining during the war?

Hell, I'll put it forth: when Legion decided to come out and suicide into MK, they did more fighting in the upper ranges than TPF ever did.

I find it funny NpO is taking a similar tack. It's almost like a repeat. IRON is the Umbrella of this war except not mostly upper tier. Lower tiers ravaged, upper tier in tact.

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[quote]I mean the alliances that are actually taking big hits are non-bloc alliances and I still don't know who thought TSCE on R&R was a good idea because it didn't help anything and I consider some of them friends, so it sucked to see.
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It's TSA old friend and defending an MDP partner is a bad idea? lol,right..it clearly helped out the ASG nations after R&R ordered downdeclares on them.Orders that went out for TSA members were to hit those R&R nations that downdeclared as a priority.

evedently,R&R is a weak alliance and could't handle our massive assult of 17 wars,so in rolls FOK to rescue R&R's asses from the inevitable destruction that we brought into the ring.Obviously TSA is a much more formidable opponent than anyone cares to admit,which would explain the declares at the bottom of thier ranges by FOK.anyway you look at it,R&R looks like cowards for not being able to handle us alone and FOK looks like cowards for not rolling in with coparable NS nations,that easily could've handled us with thier numbers.it's not like we're going down without a fight tho,they're taking damage.

pro tip: friends don't join enemy alliances.

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[quote name='Unknown Smurf' timestamp='1324505520' post='2883512']


Like NPO? TPF? TOP? The only alliances sitting this one out that fought hard in the other major war earlier this year are your allies.


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we cant help it if no one hit us. thats not our problem that we didnt get countered. Maybe your side should plan better. NG has been on Fark for what, 3ish weeks now. MHA could have come in a while ago but chose not to. we cant do anything about that. So dont act like our side taking less damage has anything to do with what we are/arent doing. The only treaty obligations NG has, from what i remember, are any counters on IRON, which where pretty weak, and helping out oA with TLR.

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[quote name='supercoolyellow' timestamp='1324504969' post='2883506']
I believe a MDOAP partner of MK was involved sunshine.
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Yes, an MDOAP partner that no one has bothered to counter.

We had to make our fun elsewhere. It's really not our fault that CSN decided to surrender in a day, or that MHA truly is an amorphous blob of incompetent nations.

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[quote]It was kind of pointless and self-destructive though, DoorNail.
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we can all see that it was self destructive now,but I disagree that it was pointless..it was either cower out and watch our MDP get hit with downdeclares across the entire alliance or do something about it,we chose the latter as it would've been ASG to ride to our assistance if we had been hit,that's what true friends do.

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People, I don't get why you can't relax and discuss the same things making the same points, just with a friendly tone. People on the other side aren't [i]really[/i] your enemies, you know...



[quote name='Buzz Lightyear' timestamp='1324510503' post='2883571']Maybe [b]your side[/b] should plan better.[/quote]
Unknown Smurf is in NSO, which hasn't entered the war this far.

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Anyway enough of harping on about TPF. I can say something good: mhawk and gk have been bastions of consistency even though I disagree with them.

You could have had some people ghost or something doornail. I doubt FOK would have gotten aggressive about it.

GOONS having it easy makes with an 8% loss rather than an 90% loss makes sense.

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[quote name='goldielax25' timestamp='1324504599' post='2883503']
Would anyone say that the MJ alliances as a collective fought hard in the previous war?

What Roq is saying is absolutely correct. I'm sure we'll end up being at the center of the next war anyway because this whole 'let other people plan the war' thing doesn't stay fun for very long.
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Yeah, this is how it generally goes. The alliances at the side of one conflict tend to be in the middle of the next one. PB was at the center of the last one, so I would expect them to be at the center of the next one and taking a big hit.

Although I have no clue what the sides will be. I expect a lot of treaty cancellations after the war.

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[quote]You could have had some people ghost or something doornail. I doubt FOK would have gotten aggressive about it.

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for an alliance that can only bring a max of 17 wars,that "some" is what? three? lol,yeah that could've made a difference and would've really turned the tide to ASG's favor /sarcasm

your alliance looks like !@#$ for getting involved in the first place bud,there's no way around that..there was no need rolling out full force on what most would claim as an insignificant alliance.you could have come in with equal nation strength and atleast tried to make it a halfassed attempt at a fair fight,instead of the overkill curbstomp approach.we're well past making FOK or R&R look any better tho,good luck with those crap PR images ;)

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[quote name='DoorNail' timestamp='1324515503' post='2883668']
for an alliance that can only bring a max of 17 wars,that "some" is what? three? lol,yeah that could've made a difference and would've really turned the tide to ASG's favor /sarcasm

your alliance looks like !@#$ for getting involved in the first place bud,there's no way around that..there was no need rolling out full force on what most would claim as an insignificant alliance.you could have come in with equal nation strength and atleast tried to make it a halfassed attempt at a fair fight,instead of the overkill curbstomp approach.we're well past making FOK or R&R look any better tho,good luck with those crap PR images ;)
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FOK were defending a treaty partner. Just because you're small doesn't mean you won't get countered.

Edit: PM me if you want to discuss this further, though. :)

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Stats as demanded by Blue!

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[b]December 21, 2011[/b]

---------- :nuke: [color=#00FF00][b]Global Radiation Level[/b][/color] :nuke: : 79.32 --> 80.45 [color=green](+1.13)[/color]
[color=white]•[/color] [img]http://i52.tinypic.com/wb6q35.png[/img] 1 [233] [color=red](-2)[/color] [color=green][b]Green Protection Agency[/b][/color] : 54.02 --> 54.06 [color=green](+0.04)[/color]
[color=#FF8C00]•[/color] [img]http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/6710/sanctioniron.png[/img] 2 [436] [color=red](-4)[/color] [color=orange][b]Independent Republic of Orange Nations[/b][/color] : 47.08 --> 46.83 [color=red](-0.25)[/color]
[color=white]•[/color] 3 {168} [color=red](-1)[/color] [color=blue][i]World Task Force[/i][/color] : 43.07 --> 43.11 [color=green](+0.04)[/color]
[color=#00BFFF]•[/color] [img]http://i50.tinypic.com/2iik8it.png[/img] 4 [466] [color=black](+0)[/color] [color=#48D1CC][b]Mostly Harmless Alliance[/b][/color] : 42.88 --> 41.30 [color=red](-1.58)[/color]
[color=#FF8C00]•[/color] 5 {104} [color=black](+0)[/color] [color=black][i]Umbrella[/i][/color] : 40.09 --> 40.07 [color=red](-0.02)[/color]
[color=#FF8C00]•[/color] [img]http://i46.tinypic.com/not5oi.png[/img] 6 [259] [color=red](-1)[/color] [color=orange][b]Orange Defense Network[/b][/color] : 38.84 --> 38.56 [color=red](-0.28)[/color]
[color=#00BFFF]•[/color] [img]http://i46.tinypic.com/2zi6k1w.png[/img] 7 [314] [color=red](-5)[/color] [color=black][b]Sparta[/b][/color] : 37.50 --> 37.01 [color=red](-0.49)[/color]
[color=#FF8C00]•[/color] [img]http://i45.tinypic.com/125m9dw.png[/img] 8 [392] [color=red](-3)[/color] [color=red][b]New Pacific Order[/b][/color] : 35.59 --> 35.20 [color=red](-0.39)[/color]
[color=#FF8C00]•[/color] [img]http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/4690/sanctionng.png[/img] 9 [221] [color=red](-1)[/color] [color=maroon][b]Non Grata[/b][/color] : 35.76 --> 35.04 [color=red](-0.72)[/color]
[color=#FF8C00]•[/color] [img]http://i48.tinypic.com/8vof2a.png[/img] 10 [235] [color=red](-1)[/color] [color=green][b]Viridian Entente[/b][/color] : 30.08 --> 29.88 [color=red](-0.20)[/color]
[color=#FF8C00]•[/color] [img]http://i45.tinypic.com/34gqzvd.png[/img] 11 [296] [color=red](-4)[/color] [color=brown][b]Global Alliance and Treaty Organization[/b][/color] : 29.48 --> 29.35 [color=red](-0.13)[/color]
[color=#FF8C00]•[/color] 12 {161} [color=black](+0)[/color] [color=maroon][i]The Last Remnants[/i][/color] : 26.18 --> 26.07 [color=red](-0.11)[/color]

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[color=#FF8C00]•[/color] 13 {116} [color=black](+0)[/color] [color=#FF00FF][i]The Order of the Paradox[/i][/color] : 25.83 --> 25.88 [color=green](+0.05)[/color]
[color=#00BFFF]•[/color] [img]http://i48.tinypic.com/1442r0g.png[/img] 14 [290] [color=red](-6)[/color] [color=blue][b]New Polar Order[/b][/color] : 24.58 --> 24.28 [color=red](-0.30)[/color]
[color=#FF8C00]•[/color] 15 {170} [color=red](-1)[/color] [color=black][i]Nordreich[/i][/color] : 24.50 --> 24.24 [color=red](-0.26)[/color]
[color=#FF8C00]•[/color] 16 {135} [color=black](+0)[/color] [color=maroon][i]Mushroom Kingdom[/i][/color] : 24.25 --> 24.08 [color=red](-0.17)[/color]
[color=#00BFFF]•[/color] [img]http://i48.tinypic.com/t5gf4j.png[/img] 17 [231] [color=red](-2)[/color] [color=#48D1CC][b]Fark[/b][/color] : 24.76 --> 24.05 [color=red](-0.71)[/color]
[color=#00BFFF]•[/color] [img]http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc4/DarkLC/RnRFlag.png[/img] 18 [256] [color=red](-2)[/color] [color=orange][b]RnR[/b][/color] : 22.64 --> 22.39 [color=red](-0.25)[/color]
[color=white]•[/color] 19 {112} [color=black](+0)[/color] [color=#48D1CC][i]The Democratic Order[/i][/color] : 21.80 --> 21.80 [color=black](+0.00)[/color]

---------- Tier Barrier 1 : 21.18 --> 21.07 [color=red](-0.11)[/color]
[color=#00BFFF]•[/color] 20 {100} [color=black](+0)[/color] [color=orange][i]FOK[/i][/color] : 19.85 --> 19.80 [color=red](-0.05)[/color]
[color=#FF8C00]•[/color] 21 {125} [color=green](+1)[/color] [color=gray][i]The Phoenix Federation[/i][/color] : 19.34 --> 19.78 [color=green](+0.44)[/color]
[color=white]•[/color] 22 {193} [color=red](-2)[/color] [color=purple][i]The Legion[/i][/color] : 19.31 --> 19.34 [color=green](+0.03)[/color]
[color=#FF8C00]•[/color] 23 {132} [color=red](-2)[/color] [color=gray][i]Nusantara Elite Warriors[/i][/color] : 18.60 --> 18.29 [color=red](-0.31)[/color]
[color=#FF8C00]•[/color] 24 {127} [color=red](-1)[/color] [color=blue][i]NATO[/i][/color] : 17.47 --> 17.23 [color=red](-0.24)[/color]
[color=#FF8C00]•[/color] 25 [213] [color=black](+0)[/color] [color=black]Goon Order of Oppression Negligence and Sadism[/color] : 16.82 --> 16.67 [color=red](-0.15)[/color]
[color=#FF8C00]•[/color] 26 {112} [color=red](-1)[/color] [color=purple][i]Valhalla[/i][/color] : 16.24 --> 16.17 [color=red](-0.07)[/color]

---------- Tier Barrier 2 : 16.18 --> 16.07 [color=red](-0.11)[/color]
[color=white]•[/color] 27 {104} [color=black](+0)[/color] [color=maroon][i]The Templar Knights[/i][/color] : 15.80 --> 15.82 [color=green](+0.02)[/color]
[color=#FF8C00]•[/color] 28 {133} [color=black](+0)[/color] [color=#48D1CC][i]Ragnarok[/i][/color] : 15.61 --> 15.59 [color=red](-0.02)[/color]
[color=#FF8C00]•[/color] 29 {99} [color=black](+0)[/color] [color=green][i]Legacy[/i][/color] : 14.80 --> 14.75 [color=red](-0.05)[/color]
[color=#FF8C00]•[/color] 30 {60} [color=black](+0)[/color] [color=#FF00FF][i]Argent[/i][/color] : 13.93 --> 13.96 [color=green](+0.03)[/color]
[color=#FF8C00]•[/color] 31 {88} [color=black](+0)[/color] [color=blue][i]The Foreign Division[/i][/color] : 13.58 --> 13.55 [color=red](-0.03)[/color]
[color=#FF8C00]•[/color] 32 {160} [color=green](+2)[/color] [color=black][i]LoSS[/i][/color] : 13.54 --> 13.40 [color=red](-0.14)[/color]
[color=white]•[/color] 33 {187} [color=red](-2)[/color] [color=blue][i]Deinos[/i][/color] : 13.18 --> 13.14 [color=red](-0.04)[/color]

---------- Add Line : 13.09 --> 13.04 [color=red](-0.05)[/color]
[color=#FF8C00]•[/color] 34 {120} [color=red](-1)[/color] [color=orange][i]The Grand Lodge Of Freemasons[/i][/color] : 13.00 --> 12.92 [color=red](-0.08)[/color]
---------- Drop Line : 12.79 --> 12.74 [color=red](-0.05)[/color]
[color=#00BFFF]•[/color] 35 {138} [color=red](-1)[/color] [color=blue][i]Multicolored Cross-X Alliance[/i][/color] : 12.61 --> 12.22 [color=red](-0.39)[/color]
[color=#00BFFF]•[/color] 36 {152} [color=black](+0)[/color] [color=maroon][i]Random Insanity Alliance[/i][/color] : 12.10 --> 11.77 [color=red](-0.33)[/color]


[b]Statistics[/b]
Longest gaining streak:
Longest streak without a loss: [color=purple][i]The Legion[/i][/color] (9 days for 0.33 score)

[b]Biggest Gainer[/b]
[color=fcn][i]:nuke: [color=#00FF00][b]Global Radiation Level[/b][/color] :nuke:[/i][/color] [color=green](+1.13)[/color]
[color=gray][i]The Phoenix Federation[/i][/color] [color=green](+0.44)[/color]

[b]Biggest Loser[/b]
[color=#48D1CC][b]Mostly Harmless Alliance[/b][/color] [color=red](-1.58)[/color]

[b]Passes of the Day[/b]
[color=red][b]New Pacific Order[/b][/color] passes [color=maroon][b]Non Grata[/b][/color]
[color=blue][b]New Polar Order[/b][/color] passes [color=#48D1CC][b]Fark[/b][/color]
[color=black][i]Nordreich[/i][/color] passes [color=#48D1CC][b]Fark[/b][/color]
[color=maroon][i]Mushroom Kingdom[/i][/color] passes [color=#48D1CC][b]Fark[/b][/color]


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