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#1 Mongol Federation

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 08:45 PM

Romney won the territory after promising to fight for PR statehood to be voted on in the General. Any thoughts on adding a new star?

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 09:05 PM

Puerto Ricans have had several votes on statehood and every time has chosen to remain a US territory. Being a state would mean that the people would need to pay a whole bunch of new taxes, so I think the people are happy where they are.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 09:20 PM

Puerto Rico's electoral participation in its domestic affairs is around 1.5M to 2M voters every four years. This Republican Party election only had a participation of about 150K persons. During the 2008 Presidential Election for the Democrat Party, the participation was within 350 to 400K voters. That's even with all the promotion and media coverage for such an occasion, the first female and the first African descendant in a presidential nomination.

With this what I'm trying to say is that the Islanders in contrast to the Puerto Ricans in the U.S. do not have a real interest in U.S. Politics. Also, the U.S. common citizen doesn't have interest in Puerto Rico. They don't even know where's is located and even if Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens or illegal immigrants. In the different political status referendums made in P.R. the present status had prevail. P.R. have a Commonwealth Status with the U.S. in which is not considered a State or a Incorporated Territory. I don't believe the Islanders have the interest in being part of the Union and the regular U.S. Citizen doesn't care and if was ever to be proposed in a election, I am sure they won't accept.

I believe that the only viable solution for P.R. political status is Independence an not Statehood.



P.S. Excuse any error, English is not my first language.

Edited by Joe Ira, 19 March 2012 - 09:21 PM.


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Posted 19 March 2012 - 09:25 PM

Even if he makes it to the general election, I doubt they'd vote for statehood.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 10:24 PM

I doubt they'll vote for statehood, although it seemed closer the last two votes.

Romney won because Santorum was an idiot and told Puerto Rico that it needed to only use English officially if they wanted to be a state. Romney just said what the Republican and Democratic parties both say: Puerto Rico is free to choose through referendums.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 11:13 PM

There will be no statehood. Except for the moon. At least that is what I figure, I will let you know when I have lunch with Romney, Santorum and Gingrich on the 31st.

Edited by commander thrawn, 19 March 2012 - 11:31 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:15 AM

There will be no statehood. Except for the moon. At least that is what I figure, I will let you know when I have lunch with Romney, Santorum and Gingrich on the 31st.


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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:18 AM

I believe that the only viable solution for P.R. political status is Independence an not Statehood.

As a European with scant knowledge of P.R and its infrastructure would independence be a viable route in your view? both in economic and political terms.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 06:06 AM

As a European with scant knowledge of P.R and its infrastructure would independence be a viable route in your view? both in economic and political terms.


I believe that P.R. can be, and Independent Nation. I know its a small island with its share of problems, but is not impossible. Puerto Rico have a very complex economy, which consist of different aspects being one of them, of course the U.S. Economy. But for an example of how complex is the economy here, recent economy studies had shown that the Island have a big economy that is not reported to the government in the tax records or any kind of official documentation. Here they call it, "Economía Subterránea". How does the specialist get to found this economy?, by it's tracks. What's "Economía Subterránea"? Is different activities and they are not referring to the Illegal economy (even though, I know is there) all type of business and or job that is not reported to the authorities. How big it is? It is suppose to have an impact of about 20 to 30% of the local economy, which is in the billion of dollars.

With this what I am saying is that P.R. economy is more complex that what many people would think. That Puerto Ricans existence is not because of the U.S. dependency. That U.S. taxpayers benefits in the Island I can denied that exist and help about a quarter of the population. But, also that if the common Puerto Rican citizen have the will they can made of the Island a successful Independent Nation. But, sincerely for me that's not the problem. Is not the economy or many other aspects of the Puerto Rican way of life, in order to be and impediment to become a Sovereign Republic. The real problem is the will of the people. Since 1898, Puerto Rico is a unincorporated territory of the U.S. In 114 years of relations many things had happen, Puerto Ricans native were given by their blood in WWI the U.S. citizenship by the Foraker Act of 1917. P.R. relation with the U.S. with the years became more and more strong. Now you have more Puerto Ricans in the States that in P.R. At first that migration consisted of uneducated farmers that later made of the city of New York, Chicago and other eastern cities their home. Now is different many educated professionals are migrating to Florida, Texas and other places in the U.S. For many Puerto Ricans with a good standard of living in the Island, they don't have the incentive or need to change their circumstances. Islanders in general have lots of family in the U.S. making the connections stronger. So, every time the Puerto Ricans are ask in a referendum if they want to change their political status, guess what, they don't. There's no will to be a State or a Republic. For me, that's the real problem and no other aspects.

If you really are interested in this topic, I could later give you more information. Including official numbers and statistics.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 08:34 AM

I will let you know when I have lunch with Romney, Santorum and Gingrich on the 31st.


Are you making Paul sit at the geek table or something?

Edited by Ayatollah Bromeini, 20 March 2012 - 08:35 AM.


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Posted 20 March 2012 - 08:45 AM

Are you making Paul sit at the geek table or something?



He isn't attending the event, I guess he doesn't think the establishment types are going to give him any money. :lol1:

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 09:18 AM

I wouldn't mind adding Puerto Rico as a state, but I think it should wait another 20 years or so. They need more economic development and integration first.

Without checking any facts I think they would be the poorest state and likely more of a burden to the government than they are now.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 10:11 AM

I want Puerto Rico to become a state for the sole reason that we'd get to change the flag and it'd be more interesting than preserving the status quo. If I were in Puerto Rico, however, I wouldn't vote in favor of statehood because they already have most of the perks of being American territory without any of the drawbacks of being an actual state.

He isn't attending the event, I guess he doesn't think the establishment types are going to give him any money. :lol1:


I thought you were joking at first...

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 10:50 AM

I'm sure the flag makers lobbying group supports adding Puerto Rico

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 02:33 PM

I want Puerto Rico to become a state for the sole reason that we'd get to change the flag and it'd be more interesting than preserving the status quo. If I were in Puerto Rico, however, I wouldn't vote in favor of statehood because they already have most of the perks of being American territory without any of the drawbacks of being an actual state.



I thought you were joking at first...

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I'm a communist get it right. :rolleyes:

and yeah I am not joking about seeing the candidates lol.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 04:43 PM

If I remember correctly every time PR holds a vote/poll on this matter it gets closer and closer to joining the USA.

Note I heard this like 10 years ago at best :P

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 04:47 PM

I used to think that Puerto Rico would be a natural addition to the United States.


After having to deal with Puerto Rico on a weekly basis for the last year?


SPEAK ENGLISH OR GET OUT


Seriously, how many of you actually have a job where you have to deal with people who speak English as even a SECOND language every day and have a very poor grasp? Because I do, and that's problematic enough. Dealing with Puerto Rico is a goddam nightmare because of the language barrier. Factor in the educational problems and it's a no-go, period.


And, yes, I am annoyed that Puerto Rican stores cannot enter NPIs correctly when they are written on the !@#$@#$ prescription .

Edited by Lord GVChamp, 20 March 2012 - 04:50 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2012 - 04:49 PM

I used to think that Puerto Rico would be a natural addition to the United States.


After having to deal with Puerto Rico on a weekly basis for the last year?


SPEAK ENGLISH OR GET OUT


Seriously, how many of you actually have a job where you have to deal with people who speak English as even a SECOND language every day? Because I do, and that's problematic enough. Dealing with Puerto Rico is a goddam nightmare because of the language barrier. Factor in the educational problems and it's a no-go, period.

Good to see you Santorum. ^_^

#19 Lord GVChamp

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 04:58 PM

Good to see you Santorum. ^_^

I would like to maintain a nation that is not a nightmare for me to navigate. If that makes me "extreme," so be it.

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 05:24 PM

I used to think that Puerto Rico would be a natural addition to the United States.


After having to deal with Puerto Rico on a weekly basis for the last year?


SPEAK ENGLISH OR GET OUT


Seriously, how many of you actually have a job where you have to deal with people who speak English as even a SECOND language every day and have a very poor grasp? Because I do, and that's problematic enough. Dealing with Puerto Rico is a goddam nightmare because of the language barrier. Factor in the educational problems and it's a no-go, period.


And, yes, I am annoyed that Puerto Rican stores cannot enter NPIs correctly when they are written on the !@#$@#$ prescription .


So...because of your miserable job you feel bitter than native Spanish speakers that you deal with don't have a native grasp on English. Why doesn't your office just assign a Spanish speaker to them?




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