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[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1312853272' post='2775363']
Please, strawman harder. I don't think even xiphosis himself would deny that there were misdeeds*.
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No amount of logic or facts will stop Krack from behaving like an imbecile.

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[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1312853272' post='2775363']
Please, strawman harder. I don't think even xiphosis himself would deny that there were misdeeds*.
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What he would or would not deny is irrelevent. The point is that the exchange between WC and Crymson reads pretty much like that.

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[quote name='foxfire99' timestamp='1312853736' post='2775370']
What he would or would not deny is irrelevent. The point is that the exchange between WC and Crymson reads pretty much like that.
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Its pretty obvious what Xiph is blamed for, attempting to force disbandment of multiple alliances over the past few years.

There you go.

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[quote name='Krack' timestamp='1312852096' post='2775354']
[color="#FF0000"]Person A:[/color] This thread was only started to improve Xiphosis' reputation after years of misdeads.

[color="#0000FF"]Person B:[/color] What were those misdeads?

[color="#FF0000"]Person A:[/color] Okay, I take it back. There were no misdeads. That's just a small part of my argument, anyway.

[color="#0000FF"]Person B:[/color] Actually, it's the only thing you said. What were his misdeads?

[color="#FF0000"]Person A:[/color] You are ignoring the crux of my argument!

[color="#0000FF"]Person B:[/color] Um ... ?

/Wash, rinse, repeat
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[color="#0000FF"]Where should I begin? Well, I'll start with the one off the top of my head.

2008: The RicoValian incident. GOD tech raids an unaligned nation. Nothing wrong in and of that, but when the guy fights back and nukes back (GOD nuked him first, keep that in mind), Xiph has the nation sanctioned and sentenced to PZI. GOD also played a part in the LoFN fiasco, forcing the disbandment of several dozen micros. Most of these nations were sentenced to eternal war on trumped up charges (the logs used against them were later found to be fabricated), many which ultimately disappeared.

2009: TPF takes Kaiser Martens off of its PZI list, and lets him join an alliance. Once that has been announced Xiph somehow conjures KM onto GOD's PZI list, for rather weak reasons mind you. He extorts 60 million for KM's release.

Let us not forget GOD's attempted to disband AB during Karma, either.

2010: During both BiPolar and 6 Mil Xiphy attempted to hijack peace talks for his own end.

2011: His attempt disband UPN, and his role in the extortion of DT.

And then GOD's constant meddling in the affairs of other alliances (for example, his response to TOP and MK signing a treaty). Xiph's constant fabrication of lies and rumors. So much and more. I couldn't possibly tell them all here.

But believe me, there are misdeeds*, and we can very well identify them. But nice try there hotshot.[/color]

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Oy vey folks, just move on and focus on the Q&A at hand. Absolutely no reason for a back-and-forth spanning up to an entire separate page on runny semantics (a surprising thanks to RV for at least advancing the discussion past the "NO U" phase).

[quote name='Varianz' timestamp='1312850662' post='2775345']
My question: is this Q&A generally going how you expected it to go?
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Pretty much.

[quote name='supercoolyellow' timestamp='1312853424' post='2775367']
Which member of SF is the best?
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Clearly ASC. :v:

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[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1312853272' post='2775363']
Please, strawman harder. I don't think even xiphosis himself would deny that there were misdeeds*.
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I didn't say there weren't any. I said none had provided by Person A.

[quote name='Crymson']No amount of logic or facts will stop Krack from behaving like an imbecile. [/quote]

Are you still here? Most people keep a low profile after intentionally and ineptly taking the #1 alliance* on Bob and driving it into the ground. Your performance is the Cybernations embodiment of a Fool's Mate.

[size="1"]*Statistically speaking only, of course[/size]

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[quote name='SpacingOutMan' timestamp='1312766946' post='2774528']
If you are going to lambaste someone, at least know what you are talking about in aforementioned events. And no, I really don't feel like sharing what had happened.

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If Gibs wants to bring it up, more power to him.
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Well, I'm positive I know what I am talking about. Perhaps you don't and that incompetence I was referencing for most of CSN is just coming to a boil?

[quote name='Gibsonator21' timestamp='1312768733' post='2774563']
Lol. I see your ego hasn't shrunk at all. You did nothing to get me out of GATO. If you remember, after I lost the MoFA race, Manis made me DAC. And I stayed for two weeks, but I was bored. I got talking to Liz, found out CSN needed some help, and figured it would be fun. Turns out it was. You can take credit if you'd like, though.

And you need better facts. I was MoI at the time, a position I really didn't want (you should know this, I basically refused to do it at FIRE and resigned days after I was made that). Was nice to see that alliance fail once I quit, though. Shows how much you can do.

tl;dr
TimLee is a blowhard.
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I think you are blurring the facts between reality and your fantasy-land. You should do better and I have no intent to go around the marry-go-round with you. Everyone who needs to know the facts does and they don't lie, but people do. Why would I take credit? I didn't make you quit, but I did make GATO realize what a parasite you are. To suggest anything of the contrary has no basis in fact.

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[quote name='foxfire99' timestamp='1312853736' post='2775370']
What he would or would not deny is irrelevent. The point is that the exchange between WC and Crymson reads pretty much like that.
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Yes, because I couldn't be bothered to spend the time to fuss up a list of what everyone already knows occurred. Fortunately for you, RV made an effort (though he understandably left out Xiphosis's uncountable less-major episodes of asinine behavior). Now you know. Happy?

[quote name='Krack' timestamp='1312854800' post='2775386']
Are you still here? Most people keep a low profile after intentionally and ineptly taking the #1 alliance* on Bob and driving it into the ground. Your performance is the Cybernations embodiment of a Fool's Mate.

[size="1"]*Statistically speaking only, of course[/size]
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Remember what Sardonic was saying about you and strawman tactics?

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[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1312854228' post='2775378']
[color="#0000FF"]Where should I begin? Well, I'll start with the one off the top of my head.

2008: The RicoValian incident. GOD tech raids an unaligned nation. Nothing wrong in and of that, but when the guy fights back and nukes back (GOD nuked him first, keep that in mind), Xiph has the nation sanctioned and sentenced to PZI. GOD also played a part in the LoFN fiasco, forcing the disbandment of several dozen micros. Most of these nations were sentenced to eternal war on trumped up charges (the logs used against them were later found to be fabricated), many which ultimately disappeared.

2009: TPF takes Kaiser Martens off of its PZI list, and lets him join an alliance. Once that has been announced Xiph somehow conjures KM onto GOD's PZI list, for rather weak reasons mind you. He extorts 60 million for KM's release.

Let us not forget GOD's attempted to disband AB during Karma, either.

2010: During both BiPolar and 6 Mil Xiphy attempted to hijack peace talks for his own end.

2011: His attempt disband UPN, and his role in the extortion of DT.

And then GOD's constant meddling in the affairs of other alliances (for example, his response to TOP and MK signing a treaty). Xiph's constant fabrication of lies and rumors. So much and more. I couldn't possibly tell them all here.

But believe me, there are misdeeds*, and we can very well identify them. But nice try there hotshot.[/color]
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So basically, you're just complaining about the DT incident (of which I admittedly don't know enough about to formulate an informed opinion)? The rest of that is piddly-crap. Let me phrase it another way, what has Xiphosis [i]actually accomplished[/i] that people consider misdeads?

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[quote name='Crymson' timestamp='1312855313' post='2775393']
Yes, because I couldn't be bothered to spend the time to fuss up a list of what everyone already knows occurred. Fortunately for you, RV made an effort (though he understandably left out Xiphosis's uncountable less-major episodes of asinine behavior). Now you know. Happy?


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Calm down. Breathe. Learn to take a joke.

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[quote name='Krack' timestamp='1312855366' post='2775395']
So basically, you're just complaining about the DT incident (of which I admittedly don't know enough about to formulate an informed opinion)? The rest of that is piddly-crap. Let me phrase it another way, what has Xiphosis [i]actually accomplished[/i] that people consider misdeads?
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[color="#0000FF"]Are you for real?

Did you just completely overlook the instances of PZI on false of shoddy reasons? How about the forced disbanding and sentencing to eternal war (with no chance for individual peace) of micro alliances (this goes beyond mere raiding)? What about the meddling in the affairs of other alliances, and the spreading of false rumors and lies to drive wedges between some alliances and their allies? And should we ignore his treatment of both AB and UPN just because he didn't succeed at disbanding them?

Also, I had just forgotten about Echelon. I am not their biggest fan, I'll admit, but it was ole Xiphypoo who came up with the term barring a certain member of theirs from serving in government. It was terms of that nature that a lot of us fought to get rid of in Karma.[/color]

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[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1312855706' post='2775400']
[color="#0000FF"]Are you for real?

Did you just completely overlook the instances of PZI on false of shoddy reasons? How about the forced disbanding and sentencing to eternal war (with no chance for individual peace) of micro alliances (this goes beyond mere raiding)? What about the meddling in the affairs of other alliances, and the spreading of false rumors and lies to drive wedges between some alliances and their allies? And should we ignore his treatment of both AB and UPN just because he didn't succeed at disbanding them?

Also, I had just forgotten about Echelon. I am not their biggest fan, I'll admit, but it was ole Xiphypoo who came up with the term barring a certain member of theirs from serving in government. It was terms of that nature that a lot of us fought to get rid of in Karma.[/color]
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Just to confirm, you're for attacking anyone who happened to be in leadership of an alliance who has had PZI lists, held an alliance to eternal war, meddled in the affairs of other alliances, spread false rumors, or barred someone from government as part of peace terms? You just named half the people participating in this thread and 25% of those who post on OWF. You just implicated anyone who was ever tied to The Continuum's alliances' leaderships.

EDIT: Also, you didn't have anything to do with Karma. Who are you trying to fool?

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I have a question. Is the reason for this thread because Superfriends believes they have a serious reputation problem and need to try and shore up their moral defenses before they become politically isolated?

Because reading some of what has gone on before my time here makes me think that certain elements in SF do indeed have much to answer for.

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[quote name='Krack' timestamp='1312856361' post='2775409']
Just to confirm, you're for attacking anyone who happened to be in leadership of an alliance who has had PZI lists, held an alliance to eternal war, meddled in the affairs of other alliances, spread false rumors, or barred someone from government as part of peace terms? You just named half the people participating in this thread and 25% of those who post on OWF. You just implicated anyone who was ever tied to The Continuum's alliances' leaderships.
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[color="#0000FF"]You're an idiot. I was just about to give up on you though, but I've always been one to fight lost causes.

I'll admit, others have done those things, but not nearly as often and not so extreme as GOD. More importantly, however, most of those alliances guilty of such things have either been rolled at least once, or otherwise apologized and made amends for past wrongdoings. Xiphy will not even admit to wrongdoing.

Also, most of those tied to the Continuum were merely enablers, guilty mainly of standing by and doing nothing out of fear. Xiph was a notable exception in that he used NPO's power for his own purposes. He was as criminal as they were, but as he latched onto the winning side of Karma he has been able to continue his power trip without having to face the consequences. While most of the acts seen under the NPO's rule are now reviled, Xiph continues to embrace those acts. I doubt there is any alliance other than GOD that has an ideology centered around forcing disbandment.

But since he has been considered such a small fish he was left alone because other more important alliances (TOP, Polar, NPO) had to be dealt with first. Now Xiph's time has come.

I doubt you will understand any of this, however. So I have no idea why I am wasting my time on the likes of you.[/color]

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[quote name='TimLee' timestamp='1312855228' post='2775392']
Well, I'm positive I know what I am talking about. Perhaps you don't and that incompetence I was referencing for most of CSN is just coming to a boil?
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As someone who actually had a part in the decision-process in the matter at hand, I can tell you that you are factually incorrect.

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[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1312856940' post='2775416']
You're an idiot.

-snip-

Xiph was a notable exception in that he used NPO's power for his own purposes. He was as criminal as they were, but as he latched onto the winning side of Karma he has been able to continue his power trip without having to face the consequences.
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That's pretty funny. First of all, what does Xiph have to do with "NPO's power"? And second, you show your true ignorance when you say he "latched onto the winning side"; like the guy or don't like him (and believe me, I've said enough unkind things about him both behind closed doors and to his face), but without Xiphosis there was no Karma. At least, no winning Karma. While everyone in SFs was telling him he was wasting his time, Xiphosis was adamant that Sparta was the alliance in tC that would be most willing to split and stand up to the rest of the bloc.

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[quote name='Krack' timestamp='1312857477' post='2775424']
That's pretty funny. First of all, what does Xiph have to do with "NPO's power"? And second, you show your true ignorance when you say he "latched onto the winning side"; like the guy or don't like him (and believe me, I've said enough unkind things about him both behind closed doors and to his face), but without Xiphosis there was no Karma. At least, no winning Karma. While everyone in SFs was telling him he was wasting his time, Xiphosis was adamant that Sparta was the alliance in tC that would be most willing to split and stand up to the rest of the bloc.
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[color="#0000FF"]I'm well aware of Xiphy's roll. It was just as important as some of the other leading figures of that war. Still, Xiph took advantage of NPO's power, directly or indirectly. Had it not been for NPO sheltering his partners and crimes he would have had to pay for LoFN. Quite a few of us were annoyed.

But bah, a worthless Xiphy apologist isn't worth my time. I've got better things to do with my time than talk to walls.[/color]

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[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1312857643' post='2775428']
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But bah, a worthless Xiphy apologist isn't worth my time. I've got better things to do with my time than talk to walls.[/color]
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Phew ... *wipes brow* ... I was worried you were going to continue to incorrectly recount history and rail on about all the things Xiphosis might have accomplished if he actually had power or influence. Bye.

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Xiph was a major contributing factor to bringing down NPO. For that we can be grateful. It doesn't make him a nice person and it doesn't mean we necessarily approve of everything else he has ever done. I personally don't know what to make of him. I have a long memory and he said some quite offensive things about me in #cupcakery (heh), and I know how unpleasant he can really get from other logs that I've seen, but on the other hand I chatted with him the other day on IRC and he seemed like an ordinary, nice guy. :unsure:

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Well this sure has been one big fiasco. The amount dirt being dug up here all in one place is pretty amazing. Why anybody thought this was a good idea is beyond me. GOD and CSN are getting pretty much what they should have expected. However now R&R and RIA the alliances people like in SF have been drug through the mud as well. I guess on a positive note SF has an idea of just how dire things indeed are. I only hope when things are said and done RIA and R&R come out ok.

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[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1312736755' post='2774214']
Umm I love SF, but I do remember staying up until 5 am because Xiph was going to hit the member of IAA and IAA was going to consider that an attack. So I don't see how you could say SF was never "rallied". Unless they weren't going to support Xiph. I also find that unlikely, because MA was definitely on board from what I understood.
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As an ally of GOD at the time of this incident, I can confirm that he was certainly talking to us about wrecking IAA. I wouldn't quite use the word rally, however, as that implies truly getting a coalition involved rather than having discourse with allies.

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[quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1312839329' post='2775217']
Common sense would involve [b]not[/b] demanding high reparations to begin with...no high reps, no complaining about terms that goes public, no major PR hit against CSN.

Your attempts to make it ABC (Anyone But CSN's fault) just don't work.
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How is that common sense? Common sense dictates higher penalties for an aggressor since they did not have to deal with being beaten down in the war. As time goes on, the reps would have lessened, probably to a white peace. This is literally how it has worked forever. Reps start out higher, get negotiated lower. Except you took them public, and it would have looked bad for SF to cave to public pressure, so they... didn't. Thus, higher terms.

I happen to know the intentions of CSN .gov. You don't. When DT's supporters brought it to the OWF, they forced CSN to dig in and enforce harsh terms to avoid "looking weak." You forced the white peace option off the table. Deal with it.

[quote] For arguments sake lets call the reps=a bomb...[/quote]

Go away...

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