EgoFreaky Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 [center][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/xRNcI.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://images.wikia.com/cybernations/images/1/15/Xba5g6.png[/IMG][/center] [b]Fellow citizens of bob,[/b] Today we accepted the official surrender from the Union of Integrated National Entities and the following peaceterms where agreed upon: 1. The immediate expulsion of keve69 from government, a declaration on the OWF with the new government and a statement he is no longer in charge of UINE. Keve may return to government after the remaining terms are completed, Keve69 (or his altenative name should he ever decide to reroll) is no longer allowed to be the sole leader of UINE. 2. 21M in reps for AiD to be paid by anyone who wants to, within 2 days of delivery of the target list. 3. A ban on techraiding of any nation part of an AA with more then 1 nation (with the exception of "None"). 4. UINE will revise their charter in which the absolute power of the emperor (or any other form of leader(s)) will permanently be kept in Check by direct GA involvement (for example term-based elected emperors). 5. From the date of this agreement forward, UINE will not be allowed to interfere with or attack the R&R alliance or any alliance that R&R is treatied with, unless it is in self-defense from an act of aggression launched against UINE by R&R or her allies. Any form of aggression from UINE towards R&R or her allies may be considered an act of war. It's our wish that with this kickstart UINE can start rebuilding towards a better future, where situations like this can be avoided. [i]Signed,[/i] [b]For R&R,[/b] EgoFreaky - President Simms - Vice-President KingLC - Minister of Defense [b]For Union of Integrated National Entities,[/b] MajorLu - Prime Minister (Acting Head of State) TheArchduke - Minister of Foreign Affairs Reghar73 - Minister of Growth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 congratulations on peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmbroseIV Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Glad to see this [i]finally[/i] resolved. G'luck with life after Keve, UINE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
askani the rotund Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Peace in our time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Why didn't you just install a viceroy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schattenmann Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 (edited) Good to know R&R is in the dictating-other-alliances'-business business. [quote name='Heft' timestamp='1307504339' post='2726588'] Why didn't you just install a viceroy? [/quote] No !@#$, right? The personalities involved might make it easier or more difficult to accept any action, but they are irrelevant to that action. It is as wrong to force a terrible leader out of an alliance forever as it is to force an effective or popular leader out. It might be fun to chuckle at Keve's situation, but the comeuppance or humorous nature doesn't make R&R's "reform" at the point of a gun good. It is not R&R's job or right (with the backing of two blocs) to enforce their idea of how alliances should be run, whom by, or by which government system on any group of nations except their own. Without regard to motive, R&R's actions here are nothing more than a demonstration to the world of what they will do from their position when dealing with a disadvantaged opponent: Whatever they want. Without regard to Keve's ability or popularity, R&R's actions are no more right or acceptable than VE's refusal to allow Ordo Verde to choose its own government; Polaris' attempts to enforce \m/'s charter, Karma's permanent removal of Caffine from Echelon gov; or NPO's placement of a viceroy in GATO. Judgment of actions is not a popularity contest, nor can an honest answer be found by consulting the treaty web; each case must be considered based upon its own facts. Edited June 8, 2011 by Schattenmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 [quote name='Heft' timestamp='1307504339' post='2726588'] Why didn't you just install a viceroy? [/quote] I campaigned for it, I swear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlinus Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Peace is good. permanent intrusion with aa government is frowned upon. Understandable given this particular situation, but if you want to determine how the aa governs, merge them into your aa as a Protectorate and teach them. Else, the war never ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Boris Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 [quote name='Heft' timestamp='1307504339' post='2726588'] Why didn't you just install a viceroy? [/quote] Perhaps Xiphosis fell asleep before he could finish writing out the rest of the terms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simms Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 o/ peace Good luck on getting on the right track UINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Roberts Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Good luck to UINE with wherever their future leads them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Mudfoot Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Good show R&R, as much as I hate to see any alliance interfere with another AA after a war... welp, UINE has shown they need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melancholy Culkin Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Seeing as term 5 apparently never expires, it looks like Keve is out of luck. I wouldn't expect anything else from a SF alliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHAYD Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Lord Boris' timestamp='1307504482' post='2726592'] Perhaps Xiphosis fell asleep before he could finish writing out the rest of the terms? [/quote] Wouldn't he opt for 5,000 tech and $300 million rep payment or disbandment? Edited June 8, 2011 by HHAYD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Savage Man Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 [quote name='Melancholy Culkin' timestamp='1307504596' post='2726596'] Seeing as term 5 apparently never expires, it looks like Keve is out of luck. I wouldn't expect anything else from a SF alliance. [/quote] That's a favor to UINE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kochers Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 [quote name='EgoFreaky' timestamp='1307504147' post='2726582'] 1. The immediate expulsion of keve69 from government, a declaration on the OWF with the new government and a statement he is no longer in charge of UINE. Keve may return to government after the remaining terms are completed, Keve69 (or his altenative name should he ever decide to reroll) is no longer allowed to be the sole leader of UINE. 2. 21M in reps for AiD to be paid by anyone who wants to, within 2 days of delivery of the target list. 3. A ban on techraiding of any nation part of an AA with more then 1 nation (with the exception of "None"). 4. UINE will revise their charter in which the absolute power of the emperor (or any other form of leader(s)) will permanently be kept in Check by direct GA involvement (for example term-based elected emperors). 5. From the date of this agreement forward, UINE will not be allowed to interfere with or attack the R&R alliance or any alliance that R&R is treatied with, unless it is in self-defense from an act of aggression launched against UINE by R&R or her allies. Any form of aggression from UINE towards R&R or her allies may be considered an act of war.[/quote] Yeah...terms 2 and 3 were the only ones needed. Intervening in an alliance's internal affairs is simply wrong, IMO. -2 respect points for RnR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHAYD Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Melancholy Culkin' timestamp='1307504596' post='2726596'] Seeing as term 5 apparently never expires, it looks like Keve is out of luck. I wouldn't expect anything else from a SF alliance. [/quote] I'm fairly sure term 5 was already common sense. Even without the term, UINE would be in boiling water if they attacked any alliance that can cause serious harm. Edited June 8, 2011 by HHAYD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush Sykes Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Peace is good. Terms are pretty crap tbh. We seem to be headed back to dictating how alliances can be run. Pretty sad to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastermind Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 I knew about this months ago. A bit intrusive but definitely acceptable. o7 R&R and good luck to UINE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvengingAngel256 Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Cheers on Finding a Resolution to all this. Good Luck in the Future UINE. R&R, Wub you guys as always. o/ R&R o/ Ego 0/ Simms MHAil! Stay Froody My Friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 [quote name='HHAYD' timestamp='1307504946' post='2726601'] I'm fairly sure term 5 was already common sense. Even without the term, UINE would be in boiling water if they attacked any alliance that can cause serious harm. [/quote] it's just a good idea to have it explicitly in writing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Moon Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 What is the point of having an alliance if you're going to let another AA dictate how you operate? UINE would be better off merged into an ally - even before this, but especially now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Nova Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 The reps, understandable. Everything else, not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melancholy Culkin Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 [quote name='Chief Savage Man' timestamp='1307504761' post='2726599'] That's a favor to UINE. [/quote] Favor or no there are better ways of doing it than eternal terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Louis the II Posted June 8, 2011 Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 Congrats on peace! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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