Ragnarok Announcement

[Mogar]

I think people can "get along" without necessarily being allies. I would tend to say that me and my neighbors get along but that doesn't mean I'm going to fight their battles with them.

who else is left as a threat? we've been down this road before after Great War 3.

Technically, that's about a month and a half now. So he wasn't really far off.

this is true, I misunderstood him as a month before the war started.

I am not speaking of the future ... but awesome if you have a way to predict it.

Why are you so concerned about their future relations? What relevance does their commitment to each other post Karma conflict have to you?

Whether or not they are all puppy dogs and flower meadows after the Karma war has no bearing on the OP nor the current conflict, so please, pray tell us why we all should be so concerned about this???

The cyberverse is not a place where you get to kill your enemies overnight, it takes months and even years in some cases, so it has some bearing on the OP, since it just shows whats already obvious to most people, the fact Citadel, SF, and C&G arent going to be having tea parties when this is all said and done, I personally am not concerned about their future relations, I plan on sitting in my little corner of the cyberverse and watching you all blow each other to hell.

Edited May 30, 2009 by Mogar

[Nizzle]

I believe the screwing or attempted screwing as it turned out happened when they tried to forfeit anyones rights to any terms over IRON. You lost the moral high ground chief stop trying to pretend you haven't.

Obviously that totally worked out. The man who said it to IRON resigned from his post, probably before he was forcefully removed. You know, I'm seriously entertained by this sudden surge in drawing lines. Making a big deal out of Chill promising IRON white peace? Then IRON did get white peace? The supposition that Chill stated IRON would get white peace from everyone, and that would prevent TOP's entrance, is patently false due to the facts. Obviously Chill did this on his own, or it was misinterpreted as GRE promising IRON white peace.

I'm also rather entertained at the disgust you are throwing at GRE and TOP, and curious as to why Citadel seems to be a "cool" target for SF and C&G to go after. What would this war have been like without them, I wonder? Oh, but of course gratitude (or even mild appreciation in the form of not attacking them in public, as you and yours like to do) isn't necessary. NPO & Co is out of power, we can do and say whatever we want now. Right?

I find it less than humorous that certain folks keep blaming certain other folks for causing problems during a war, when it's the "certain folks" and their friends creating the drama. What a brave new world we have created.

Edited May 30, 2009 by Nizzle

[Xiphosis]

This was never TOP's position; if such was said, then it was said without our prior consent.

Chill seemed to think it was TOP's position, and was confident enough in this belief to threaten others, on your own side, on your behalf.

[Feanor Noldorin]

I'm also rather entertained at the disgust you are throwing at GRE and TOP, and curious as to why Citadel seems to be a "cool" target for SF and C&G to go after.

Someone has to be the bad guy, right?

[King Srqt]

So where in those logs is any evidence that TOP is guilty of "secret peace agreements made behind other peoples backs."

Where did I ever say TOP did that?

Obviously that totally worked out. The man who said it to IRON resigned from his post, probably before he was forcefully removed. You know, I'm seriously entertained by this sudden surge in drawing lines. Making a big deal out of Chill promising IRON white peace? Then IRON did get white peace? The supposition that Chill stated IRON would get white peace from everyone, and that would prevent TOP's entrance, is patently false due to the facts. Obviously Chill did this on his own, or it was misinterpreted as GRE promising IRON white peace.

I'm also rather entertained at the disgust you are throwing at GRE and TOP, and curious as to why Citadel seems to be a "cool" target for SF and C&G to go after. What would this war have been like without them, I wonder? Oh, but of course gratitude (or even mild appreciation in the form of not attacking them in public, as you and yours like to do) isn't necessary. NPO & Co is out of power, we can do and say whatever we want now. Right?

I find it less than humorous that certain folks keep blaming certain other folks for causing problems during a war, when it's the "certain folks" and their friends creating the drama. What a brave new world we have created.

It didn't work out only because the other alliances fighting IRON made a stand to make sure it didn't work out. If the other alliances let the fear of losing Grämlins (which was what they tried to instill in those alliances) cause them to fold I am sure Chill would be sitting pretty right now. Also let it be known that I and I alone brought this to the public eye and that I am not a member of any of those blocs that you mentioned.

As far as who is "creating the drama" if certain folks didn't do shady !@#$ there wouldn't be anything for those other folks to make drama with now would there?

[Nizzle]

Someone has to be the bad guy, right?

I'm the only one that can think TOP is the evil overlord

[CptGodzilla]

I'm also rather entertained at the disgust you are throwing at GRE and TOP, and curious as to why Citadel seems to be a "cool" target for SF and C&G to go after.

Well It's less of a "power" thing and more of a "this is the second thing you have done to try to hurt the PR and / or well being of our alliance"

1. Making back door deals with IRON without consulting with FARK (their ally noless)

2. the "organizer" of Karma military seemingly spreading rumors about RoK and how they do business

Edited May 30, 2009 by CptGodzilla

[WarriorConcept]

Someone has to be the bad guy, right?

Or you know, they have a valid argument for being rather pissed right now?

[Mixoux]

Or you know, they have a valid argument for being rather pissed right now?

Nonsense, that obviously can't be the case. I mean, it's already happened, why should there be irritation over it!

[Nizzle]

Chill seemed to think it was TOP's position, and was confident enough in this belief to threaten others, on your own side, on your behalf.

Chill, a guy who resigned? The guy who Bob !@#$%*ed about in logs posted here?

What, are you Valhalla and GRE is the new BAPS? Gonna get Tumin?

It didn't work out only because the other alliances fighting IRON made a stand to make sure it didn't work out. If the other alliances let the fear of losing Grämlins (which was what they tried to instill in those alliances) cause them to fold I am sure Chill would be sitting pretty right now. Also let it be known that I and I alone brought this to the public eye and that I am not a member of any of those blocs that you mentioned.

I consistently lose track of what alliance you are in, and may have lumped you into those blocs since they are posting here in rabid agreement with you. Out of curiosity, how did you learn all of this information?

I have a very hard time believing it folded out as it did, considering the way terms ended up. Yet again, though, Chill resigned for a reason. The "secret plan" didn't work for a reason. No reason to make hay out of it, as it all worked out in the end. The thought of painting GRE as dishonorable is rather hilarious, though.

As far as who is "creating the drama" if certain folks didn't do shady !@#$ there wouldn't be anything for those other folks to make drama with now would there?

How, again, was PPF involved in this?

Why was it necessary to throw this out in public, as those who are apparently "on your side" have been doing? It's a rather hypocritical situation when one group consistently trashes the other in public, yet cries when they are trashed themselves. There is no need for this, and as AirMe has previously said, all you are doing is making more and more lines where they aren't needed. If anything, actions like yours will provoke hostilities and distract from taking out NPO. It's a shame, really.

[Ardus]

Someone has to be the bad guy, right?

Until they're wiped out of sanction and removed as a threat for the next 6 to 12 months, you, and everybody else in this thread on the side of Karma, would do well to continue considering NPO and its "former" flunkies the "bad guys". Or perhaps we should just go ahead and continue this childish infighting, grow complacent with the meager victory won so far, and repeat the mistakes of the First Great War?

For the love of all that is holy, could you bury this crap for another couple of weeks? Some of us are still trying to finish this.

Edited May 30, 2009 by Lafayette

[Delta1212]

I'm also rather entertained at the disgust you are throwing at GRE and TOP, and curious as to why Citadel seems to be a "cool" target for SF and C&G to go after. What would this war have been like without them, I wonder? Oh, but of course gratitude (or even mild appreciation in the form of not attacking them in public, as you and yours like to do) isn't necessary. NPO & Co is out of power, we can do and say whatever we want now. Right?

I wish TOP hadn't joined, to be honest. The attitude wasn't worth the addition of military strength, especially not with TOP holding back on taking their wars nuclear and letting the rest of us eat the nukes instead. That was awesome.

[Nizzle]

Well It's less of a "power" thing and more of a "this is the second thing you have done to try to hurt the PR and / or well being of our alliance"

1. Making back door deals with IRON without consulting with FARK (their ally noless)

2. the "organizer" of Karma military seemingly spreading rumors about RoK and how they do business

I know, and it's such a good thing no one else has done anything bad to anyone else in Karma. Just Citadel. Right? Oh...wait.

You know, if you want to bring the ability to hurt PR and the well being of an alliance down to RUMORS...well, think on that real fast.

Or you know, they have a valid argument for being rather pissed right now?

Totally! Totally valid! The guy resigned, apologies were issued, other government members stated they were unaware to the situation. Totally valid reason to stomp all over coalition mates in public! You know, it seems like a rather frequent trend for certain alliances currently crying "foul" to piss all over other "coalition mates" in public, but claim the victim when it's done to them.

Oh, the sweet irony.

[Nizzle]

Until they're wiped out of sanction and removed as a threat for the next 6 to 12 months, you, and everybody else in this thread on the side of Karma, would do well to continue considering NPO and its "former" flunkies the "bad guys". Or perhaps we should just go ahead and continue this childish infighting, grow complacent with the meager victory won so far, and repeat the mistakes of the First Great War?

For the love of all that is holy, could you bury this crap for another couple of weeks? Some of us are still trying to finish this.

I certainly hope you quoted his post out of convenience, and are not directing it at him. That would be a "missed target", if you did.

I wish TOP hadn't joined, to be honest. The attitude wasn't worth the addition of military strength, especially not with TOP holding back on taking their wars nuclear and letting the rest of us eat the nukes instead. That was awesome.

Of course you would say that after the fact. So, would TOP have spared you from receiving nukes by launching their own? How does that work?

Come on, just say you wish GRE and Umbrella hadn't joined either. Then we can have a "hindsight is 20/20" conversation and discuss how you would have survived under the boot of the NPO after losing the war.

I find it completely hilarious you are complaining about extra military strength when there was little to no issue with over-attacking some alliances and under-attacking others, so long as it worked in certain alliance's interests. Don't believe me? Check the NS charts. It's a funny story.

[King Srqt]

Chill, a guy who resigned? The guy who Bob !@#$%*ed about in logs posted here?

What, are you Valhalla and GRE is the new BAPS? Gonna get Tumin?

Yeah I mean citadel would never attack an alliance for the actions of resigned Government how silly it is of me to apply such a standard to them right?

I consistently lose track of what alliance you are in, and may have lumped you into those blocs since they are posting here in rabid agreement with you. Out of curiosity, how did you learn all of this information?

I was RIA gov during the war I resigned form the alliance recently and as such am no longer affiliated with the groups you mentioned

I have a very hard time believing it folded out as it did, considering the way terms ended up. Yet again, though, Chill resigned for a reason. The "secret plan" didn't work for a reason. No reason to make hay out of it, as it all worked out in the end. The thought of painting GRE as dishonorable is rather hilarious, though.

Yes Grämlins are obviously incapable of doing anything dishonorable how silly of me to imply otherwise.

How, again, was PPF involved in this?

Because at least 50% of the alliance overwhelmingly wanted me to post in this thread.

Why was it necessary to throw this out in public, as those who are apparently "on your side" have been doing? It's a rather hypocritical situation when one group consistently trashes the other in public, yet cries when they are trashed themselves. There is no need for this, and as AirMe has previously said, all you are doing is making more and more lines where they aren't needed. If anything, actions like yours will provoke hostilities and distract from taking out NPO. It's a shame, really.

I asked that the attempts to throw mud at rok stop and said if they didnt I would throw mud back. A member of TOP asked me to throw the mud so here we are.

Edited May 30, 2009 by KingSrqt

[CptGodzilla]

I know, and it's such a good thing no one else has done anything bad to anyone else in Karma. Just Citadel. Right? Oh...wait.

You know, if you want to bring the ability to hurt PR and the well being of an alliance down to RUMORS...well, think on that real fast.

You must have not seen that thread where about 5-10 pages were fully devoted to complaining and ******** about RoK for "false information" that LM gave out

[Roadie]

If someone in Karma could put a stop to the infighting I would appreciate it. I'd hate for our little war to get interrupted by internecine conflict.

[Nizzle]

Yeah I mean citadel would never attack an alliance for the actions of resigned Government how silly it is of me to apply such a standard to them right?

Are we seriously going to play this game? Are you honestly going to take my solid comparison down to the level of conspiracy hunter?

I was RIA gov during the war I resigned form the alliance recently and as such am no longer affiliated with the groups you mentioned

Oh, right. How utterly convenient.

Yes Grämlins are obviously incapable of doing anything dishonorable how silly of me to imply otherwise.

You still have an axe to grind with them? Honestly?

I asked that the attempts to throw mud at rok stop and said if they didnt I would throw mud back. A member of TOP asked me to throw the mud so here we are.

That. Is. So. Honorable.

You really are an amazing individual, and I wish you luck on your crusade.

[Nizzle]

You must have not seen that thread where about 5-10 pages were fully devoted to complaining and ******** about RoK for "false information" that LM gave out

Yet again, do you seriously want to do this?

Because, honestly, one side is worse then the other. And it's not the one you think it is, either.

[Nananana]

who else is left as a threat? we've been down this road before after Great War 3.

this is true, I misunderstood him as a month before the war started.

The cyberverse is not a place where you get to kill your enemies overnight, it takes months and even years in some cases, so it has some bearing on the OP, since it just shows whats already obvious to most people, the fact Citadel, SF, and C&G arent going to be having tea parties when this is all said and done, I personally am not concerned about their future relations, I plan on sitting in my little corner of the cyberverse and watching you all blow each other to hell.

I don't see Cit, SF, or C&G as being terribly aggressive alliances. Since you've been down this road before, please explain how it unfolds cause I don't see the post-war scenario being anything like what we've had before. Sure, the limit of planet bob as time goes to infinity is war but I don't see why peace simply "cannot happen".

I think this animosity amongst different groups is being hyped almost as much as wrong rep amounts are. And to all of this, all I can say is who cares, I'm having another beer.

[WarriorConcept]

Totally! Totally valid! The guy resigned, apologies were issued, other government members stated they were unaware to the situation. Totally valid reason to stomp all over coalition mates in public! You know, it seems like a rather frequent trend for certain alliances currently crying "foul" to piss all over other "coalition mates" in public, but claim the victim when it's done to them.

Oh, the sweet irony.

Did Chill really resign? I wasn't aware. As for whether it's a valid argument to be pissed and argued over, I don't think your post disqualifies the claim as several alliances were very directly effected throughout the conflict because of the government members being "unaware." Is ignorance an excuse? No. Are they living up to the blunder that they caused during the war? Yes.

[Ardus]

I certainly hope you quoted his post out of convenience, and are not directing it at him. That would be a "missed target", if you did.

Until they're wiped out of sanction and removed as a threat for the next 6 to 12 months, you, and everybody else in this thread on the side of Karma, would do well to continue considering NPO and its "former" flunkies the "bad guys". Or perhaps we should just go ahead and continue this childish infighting, grow complacent with the meager victory won so far, and repeat the mistakes of the First Great War?

For the love of all that is holy, could you bury this crap for another couple of weeks? Some of us are still trying to finish this.

Feanor states "somebody has to be the bad guy". We already have one and we haven't finished with it yet.

[CptGodzilla]

Yet again, do you seriously want to do this?

Because, honestly, one side is worse then the other. And it's not the one you think it is, either.

just and FYI, I don't do sides. I go by what I think is write and wrong. Backdoor conversations with enemy = bad. Spreading rumors = bad. That's all it boils down to

[Nizzle]

Feanor states "somebody has to be the bad guy". We already have one and we haven't finished with it yet.

Yeah, like I said, way to single out the wrong guy.

[King Srqt]

Are we seriously going to play this game? Are you honestly going to take my solid comparison down to the level of conspiracy hunter?

So when Citadel declared war on Polar it wasn't because of things that Sponge had done? Because from where I was sitting it looked like they held an alliance responsible for a resigned (actually he WAS forcefully removed) gov member.

Oh, right. How utterly convenient.

Yeah I totally resigned from the alliance I spent the last 7 months in so that I could come talk trash about citadel

You still have an axe to grind with them? Honestly?

Not really but if they are going to sling mud I don't see the need to let them come out looking squeaky clean

That. Is. So. Honorable.

You really are an amazing individual, and I wish you luck on your crusade.

Thanks, I know a lot of people who feel the same way about you.