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[quote name='Antonio Salovega VI' date='27 May 2010 - 02:11 AM' timestamp='1274940684' post='2313233']
Snip.
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1st: There are more logs. And in fact, the more logs I post the more damning it is.
2nd: JB has already admitted to them being real. He simply is saying that it was a moment of anger and has no interest in that actually happening.
3rd: Really?...

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[quote name='Free Quebec' date='27 May 2010 - 06:50 AM' timestamp='1274939426' post='2313222']
You assume VE is making CB because Brookbank goes public?
Really?
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No need to jump on airme FQ, look a little further down, he was given a bit of off base information and acknowledged it :x

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[quote name='Segovia' date='27 May 2010 - 02:18 AM' timestamp='1274941109' post='2313239']
I've never heard any rumors about the GPA, but that doesn't matter. Back in the day, I was going to join IRON because it looked like a great alliance and went with the VE because I preferred a smaller group and they seemed like a great group. Just because a person changes their mind means nothing.
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Yes well, she spent Roughly One Month in GPA. She then turned around and spent roughly One Month in the GGA. As for a smaller alliance, Ronin is technically the smaller newer alliance. Where as GGA is an older alliance that has fallen on hard times. Why would you join join two alliances each one for a rough period of a month before jumping ship, and one of those was a second choice to an alliance you would leave them for in the future? There a lot going against her besides the proof that she has leaked information. Some things just don't make sense is all I am saying. And as was eluded to before by a VE member I believe is that they got the information second or third hand. Regardless if they laughed it off or not, it was not directly sent to them. So if her reason was revenge, it wasn't brought directly to VE which would be the normal routes of revenge.

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[quote name='Il Impero Romano' date='27 May 2010 - 02:23 AM' timestamp='1274941416' post='2313243']
No need to jump on airme FQ, look a little further down, he was given a bit of off base information and acknowledged it :x
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And I appreciate you telling people that. It's as if people read that post and than just skipped the rest of the thread.

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[quote name='BloodFury' date='26 May 2010 - 11:26 PM' timestamp='1274941568' post='2313246']
Yes well, she spent Roughly One Month in GPA. She then turned around and spent roughly One Month in the GGA. As for a smaller alliance, Ronin is technically the smaller newer alliance. Where as GGA is an older alliance that has fallen on hard times. Why would you join join two alliances each one for a rough period of a month before jumping ship, and one of those was a second choice to an alliance you would leave them for in the future? There a lot going against her besides the proof that she has leaked information. Some things just don't make sense is all I am saying. And as was eluded to before by a VE member I believe is that they got the information second or third hand. Regardless if they laughed it off or not, it was not directly sent to them. So if her reason was revenge, it wasn't brought directly to VE which would be the normal routes of revenge.
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1st hand, from what I understand. And there are quite a few people who jump from alliance to alliance, and that doesn't make them a spy. From what I understand, Enyo did quite a bit for the GGA working in the FA dept. Perhaps she is a disgruntled employee?

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[quote name='Segovia' date='27 May 2010 - 02:38 AM' timestamp='1274942278' post='2313254']
1st hand, from what I understand. And there are quite a few people who jump from alliance to alliance, and that doesn't make them a spy. From what I understand, Enyo did quite a bit for the GGA working in the FA dept. Perhaps she is a disgruntled employee?
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Even if she were a disgruntled employee when you take an oath to your alliance you take an oath of loyalty. While it is not expected that all members are going to stay, it is expected that information inside of the alliance, stays inside of the alliance. This you cannot deny. If she were a spy or not is unknown, all I know is that a lot of things work against her favor in this situation, especially with the fact that she has already been proven to be the mole that leaked out those logs. So regardless of when she did it, she still did it, and there are other factors working against her at this point that could tarnish her depleting reputation at this point.

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[quote name='Il Impero Romano' date='27 May 2010 - 12:39 AM' timestamp='1274935152' post='2313144']
Which is the most puzzling part. While they are not the type of logs that would get GGA killed, they will probably get them laughed at (if they are actually leaked further), but prior to this it was a non issue and anyone who had seem them had stopped caring since the day after they got them. By making this announcement, he runs risk of bringing them to light and getting a black eye, completely for no reason at all.
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[color="#0000FF"]Alliances have been rolled for less, and it is no secrets that VE has no love for JB or GGA, so he has very real concern that the logs would be twisted into saying something they don't.[/color]

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[quote name='kriekfreak' date='27 May 2010 - 01:39 AM' timestamp='1274942369' post='2313255']
There goes the last hope I had of GGA.
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How so? I see nothing negative about the GGA in this entire thread. Ya, there's people going LOLGGA, but there's nothing actually negative about them. Oh, you mean the LOGS which are a non-issue? Good job there.

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[quote name='Sir Sci' date='27 May 2010 - 02:45 AM' timestamp='1274942684' post='2313259']
How so? I see nothing negative about the GGA in this entire thread. Ya, there's people going LOLGGA, but there's nothing actually negative about them. Oh, you mean the LOGS which are a non-issue? Good job there.
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[color="#0000FF"]I've seen a lot of logs which would otherwise been non-issued turned and corrupted into something different by political opponents for their own game. Trust me, GGA has done no wrong here. They've done what any other alliance would have. They corrected and addressed any possible speculation before it went wild. The only reason anyone is attacking them is because of who they are. Nothing more. It is the same old prejudice that has been plaguing GGA for sometime now, far more than any other problems it might have.[/color]

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[quote name='Rebel Virginia' date='27 May 2010 - 07:42 AM' timestamp='1274942525' post='2313258']
[color="#0000FF"]Alliances have been rolled for less, and it is no secrets that VE has no love for JB or GGA, so he has very real concern that the logs would be twisted into saying something they don't.[/color]
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Aye, true. However he obviously knew a bit of the situation surrounding the leak so its presumable that he also knew that we directly stated at the time (2 weeks ago now) that it was not a CB in our opinion and we wouldn't be using it as such. Though given the nature of the logs, I guess the concern would be understandable in the minds of some. To each his own.

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Alright, alright... I'll be the log dumper here. :awesome:

All of these logs came from #GGAMinistry. Ministers and the council have access to #GGAMinistry.


[quote][2010-04-12 18:29:49] <Byron_Orpheus> I believe Kenfolk shares my opinion that $%&@heads can be useful
[2010-04-12 18:30:04] <Kenfolk_GTS> yes
[2010-04-12 18:30:26] <Byron_Orpheus> Furthermore I don't see why cutting off diplomatic relations, or removing ourselves from UJA, will help the situation
[2010-04-12 18:30:31] <Jonathan_Brookbank[GGA]> Then neither of you should be in any sort of policy making position, especially not foreign affairs.
[2010-04-12 18:31:04] <Byron_Orpheus> But I am perfectly comfortable for green unity stuff with them
[2010-04-12 18:32:11] <Jonathan_Brookbank[GGA]> I am going to have to think very seriously about allowing you to remain as MoFA if that is your foreign affairs policy.
[2010-04-12 18:32:27] <Byron_Orpheus> My foreign affairs policy is to do what you want [2010-04-12 18:32:38] <Kenfolk_GTS> just voicing opinions
[2010-04-12 18:32:39] <Byron_Orpheus> My advise can differ from your wishes, but it doesn't impact my performance
[2010-04-12 18:32:48]<Byron_Orpheus> *advice That's about it.
[2010-04-12 18:35:29] <Byron_Orpheus> JB, when you start creating enemies where there aren't any, it might be time to calm down a bit. Especially if you can't tell that Ken and I are your friends.[/quote]


[quote][2010-04-22 13:49:48] <****> It's too bad we can't be the ones to roll the VE again.
[2010-04-22 13:50:09] <Jonathan_Brookbank[GGA]> Give it some time.
[2010-04-22 13:50:16] <Jonathan_Brookbank[GGA]> We just need to grow.[/quote]


[quote][2010-05-06 01:27:16] <Jonathan_Brookbank[GGA]> This is going to be a LOT easier after this first one
[2010-05-06 01:47:01] <Jonathan_Brookbank[GGA]> Alright.
[2010-05-06 01:47:14] <Jonathan_Brookbank[GGA]> Banning myself from #VE.
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[quote][2010-04-21 23:48:27] <Jonathan_Brookbank> I now have only one goal in CN
[2010-04-21 23:48:32] <Jonathan_Brookbank> Kill VE.
[2010-04-21 23:50:18] <Jonathan_Brookbank> No one is allowed to talk to VE.
[2010-04-21 23:50:20] <Jonathan_Brookbank> At all.
[2010-04-21 23:50:22] <Byron_Orpheus[GGA]> i'm perfectly fine with not pursuing any treaties that don't lead to VE dying
[2010-04-21 23:50:29] <Jonathan_Brookbank> If I find out you are, that's a strike.
[2010-04-21 23:50:32] <Jonathan_Brookbank> Three strikes, you're out.
[2010-04-21 23:50:46] <Jonathan_Brookbank> I'm dead !@#$@#$ serious here.[/quote]

[quote]
-04-21 23:52:27] <Dementual> don't kick kubla
[2010-04-21 23:52:59] <Jonathan_Brookbank> No, he wouldn't stop.
[2010-04-21 23:53:06] <Jonathan_Brookbank> My vengeance is swift and justice is blind.
[2010-04-21 23:53:32] <Byron_Orpheus[GGA]> GATO is yelling at him
[2010-04-21 23:54:37] <Jonathan_Brookbank> I like how they shut up as soon as I join.
[2010-04-21 23:55:03] <Jonathan_Brookbank> Stop
[2010-04-21 23:55:07] <Jonathan_Brookbank> I told Caliph elsewhere
[2010-04-21 23:56:05] <Kenfolk_GTS> wait wait wait, JB is your ONLY goal to kill VE?
[2010-04-21 23:58:14] <Jonathan_Brookbank> All day every day.
[2010-04-21 23:58:17] <Jonathan_Brookbank> Please tell VE that.
[2010-04-21 23:58:49] <Dementual> Please don't
[2010-04-21 23:58:53] <Byron_Orpheus[GGA]> lol
[2010-04-21 23:58:57] <Byron_Orpheus[GGA]> No, that is my new goal now too
[2010-04-21 23:59:12] <Byron_Orpheus[GGA]> If it takes me three years and if I am in another alliance when it happens, my only goal in this game is to kill VE
[2010-04-21 23:59:32] <Kenfolk_GTS> um
[2010-04-21 23:59:54] <Kenfolk_GTS> the leaders goal shouldn't be only to kill another alliance
[2010-04-22 00:00:01] <Kenfolk_GTS> somewhere in there should be to better the alliance[/quote]


Oh, and by the way Jack... It was never in my plans to treaty GGA :lol1:

Have fun!


Ezequiel.

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[quote name='Sir Sci' date='27 May 2010 - 02:45 AM' timestamp='1274942684' post='2313259']
How so? I see nothing negative about the GGA in this entire thread. Ya, there's people going LOLGGA, but there's nothing actually negative about them. Oh, you mean the LOGS which are a non-issue? Good job there.
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The logs are more telling, perhaps even a confirmation, of what most people already knew or suspected. VE may not have an issue with these logs, and maybe everyone else doesn't either. It's a wonderful insight to Brookbank's regime regardless.

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Everyone who knows me knows that I don't like to visit these parts very often. However, seeing some of the assumptions going on here, I thought I would offer to answer questions the general public might have regarding this matter.

Privately, of course.

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[quote name='Rebel Virginia' date='27 May 2010 - 12:42 AM' timestamp='1274942525' post='2313258']
[color="#0000FF"]Alliances have been rolled for less, and it is no secrets that VE has no love for JB or GGA, so he has very real concern that the logs would be twisted into saying something they don't.[/color]
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In all fairness, they do say something pretty clearly. They say that at one point in time GGA leadership toyed with the idea of destroying VE in the future. Doesn't really sound like green unity to me.

Of course, we haven't been informed of which part of the logs was misinformation and which part was emotional release. So all this debate could be for nothing, but as you say, alliances have been rolled for far less.

If GGA was going to spread false information within their own government pertaining to VE, it would have been wise to inform VE about the possible information leaking their way. That would have avoided issues altogether and likely bridged the gap of any sour spots between the two alliances. Forethought FTW.

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Blah blah blah logs blah blah logs blah.

I have full confidence in the GGA's intentions to seek and obtain further green unity, as well as their prospective success in doing so.

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Hey its upto them if they wish to destroy VE, at the sometime in the future.... at the appropriate juncture....in the fullness of time...

And, its nice to have goals. For a life without a goal or goals, is .. boring.


More tea? Anyone? How about some scones?

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[quote name='JackSkellington' date='27 May 2010 - 03:29 AM' timestamp='1274943568' post='2313273']
Please don't lie Zeke. Especially when I know you're lying. You've been after a treaty since the first one was canceled. Hell, you'll probably treaty anybody who happens to have an alliance.

But congrats on posting the logs everyone already saw.
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Well now, I don't recall you being a Psychic, unless I missed the news. If so, what am I thinking of right now? :rolleyes:


Ezequiel.

EDIT: I know Chief Savage Man, I didn't feel like adding her name again.

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I have seen countless logs over my time talking of one alliance killing another.

What you people do not relies is that this pretty much happens in every alliance at one time or another.

Peoples need for drama is astounding.

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[quote name='Ezequiel' date='27 May 2010 - 03:03 AM' timestamp='1274943779' post='2313276']
Well now, I don't recall you being a Psychic, unless I missed the news. If so, what am I thinking of right now? :rolleyes:


Ezequiel.

EDIT: I know Chief Savage Man, I didn't feel like adding her name again.
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No, but I sure as hell didn't miss the part of you being you. And you sign treaties like I eat food while leading a horrible alliance. Say what you will, but I don't think you're fooling anybody.

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