WalkerNinja Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 The Fantasy CN Draft (and it's predecessor last year) have shown that there is reasonably clear consensus about who the best Alliance Leaders are. Most line-ups will carry a Liquid Mercury, a Moldavi, a Dilber, etc... But that's not really a draft. There's no scarcity. Chances are that you don't have those people in your alliance, and you won't be able to get them. You've got to have a back-up plan. What I think would be more interesting is to generate a list of the B-teamers, the support staff, the challengers. I'm sorting mine by Milcom, IA, FA, and Executive (Triumvir, Emperor, Grandmaster, SecGen, what have you) Off of the top of my head: Quercus- IA/Milcom TeamDiscoveryChannel- IA EvilGM- IA MyWorld- FA Coursca- FA NewReverie- Milcom Arsenal- executive Templar- executive Mpol777- executive Golan1st- IA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Frontier Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Why don't we ACTUALLY have a draft? List a hundred or so leaders, and then have a few people draft an actual government from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Everyone's going to list the people they know well and exclude the people they don't. Like I'd say Dawny, but most of CN really doesn't know her, because she doesn't lead Invicta anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doitzel Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 (edited) Okay first, I realise this is an OOC forum and I'll say I have nothing against MyWorld (in fact I rather like him on this level) but WHAT??? I'm just absolutely baffled that ... you. You, with that tag, of all people, insinuating that MyWorld is a leadership asset to any alliance without a suicide wish is just. Well, it's... beyond adjectives! Gah. edit: wording. still sucks but meh. Edited October 1, 2009 by Elyat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilien Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 I think Doitzel is pretty underrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Some-Guy Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Quercus- IA/MilcomTeamDiscoveryChannel- IA EvilGM- IA MyWorld- FA Coursca- FA NewReverie- Milcom Arsenal- executive Templar- executive Mpol777- executive Golan1st- IA No SomeGuy? I made you, kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Apocalypse Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 I say JoshuaR is pretty underrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penguin Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 (edited) A lot of the alliance leadership positions really shouldn't need to be "big name" people. If you're in charge of any variety of internal processes it really doesn't matter how popular or famous you are outside of your alliance. Most of our best organizers, financiers, generals and other positions that deal with internal affairs never achieve recognition outside of our boards because they are too busy working hard to socialize with the rest of you. When I see a list filled to the brim with famous people and type A personalities that the starstruck suggester probably has never interacted with on any level to make a fair judgment, I chuckle to myself at how much of a disaster that alliance would be. Not only would most of those leaders be unable to tolerate the others for more than a few days, but they'd be such a mixed bag of political preferences, contacts, loyalties and approaches to foreign policy that the alliance would collapse in on itself internally even as the rest of the world fell madly in love with them. Edited October 1, 2009 by Penguin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TehChron Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 (edited) I hear Chron is pretty underrated. As is Doppelganger, In fact, just go with Chron. Edited October 1, 2009 by Chron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 I'd say both banned member (I think she's filtered – long time GOON Black Senator) and Furseiseki are underrated because of the way their alliances went down. Both were good at balancing their alliances' innate lulz in IA and the need for 'standard CN' diplomacy in FA, rather like Archon although in the end less successful. Doc Taco also deserves a mention; he went about the business of running MHA without ever making a name for himself, but he was very effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Ozujsko Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Okay first, I realise this is an OOC forum and I'll say I have nothing against MyWorld (in fact I rather like him on this level) but WHAT???I'm just absolutely baffled that ... you. You, with that tag, of all people, insinuating that MyWorld is a leadership asset to any alliance without a suicide wish is just. Well, it's... beyond adjectives! Gah. edit: wording. still sucks but meh. Yah, MyWorld is such a terrible influence on an alliance. He's only revolutionized trading on black and has been integral part of NOIR. Oh yeah, under his leadership, DT is one of the top small-alliances on black. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supa_Troop3r Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 I like this idea. A big Draft would be fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogeWilliam Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 I'm going to go with Hakai. He even has an -ism named after him now don't you know. Whoever was in charge of GOONS at its prime was a good leader. Can't remember who that was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3filed Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 I believe that genghis khan is rather underrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Nukem Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 The whole gov't of Veritas Aequitus is pretty awesome. From Mankiller to Erixxx, conner, mrott and beyond there awesome and highly underrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirMe Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 The Fantasy CN Draft (and it's predecessor last year) have shown that there is reasonably clear consensus about who the best Alliance Leaders are. Most line-ups will carry a Liquid Mercury, a Moldavi, a Dilber, etc...But that's not really a draft. There's no scarcity. Chances are that you don't have those people in your alliance, and you won't be able to get them. You've got to have a back-up plan. What I think would be more interesting is to generate a list of the B-teamers, the support staff, the challengers. I'm sorting mine by Milcom, IA, FA, and Executive (Triumvir, Emperor, Grandmaster, SecGen, what have you) Off of the top of my head: Quercus- IA/Milcom TeamDiscoveryChannel- IA EvilGM- IA MyWorld- FA Coursca- FA NewReverie- Milcom Arsenal- executive Templar- executive Mpol777- executive Golan1st- IA Umm....all but 1 of the people on your list is far from underrated and left their mark on the game somehow....I don't know who TeamDiscoveryChannel is. But the rest....yeah.....not really underrated at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epiphanus Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 This is almost as dumb as the fantasy thing in the other thread... People name big names who they've seen on the OWF alot, and or who have had their hands in big goings on. >_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfEmpty Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 IrishWolf is way underated in FA. Over-rated in drinking and fighting tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gauner Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 (edited) I believe that genghis khan is rather underrated. Vouched. I'd have him as my foreign affairs guy anyday. Actually, on second thought, i'd just resign and let him lead the entire thing. Edited October 1, 2009 by Gauner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Ferdinand Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 For some reason, people have forgotten to mention me, even though I am somewhat notable. Anyway, back to my scheming for a more evil tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymenbreach Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 I'm underrated. But that is all part of my plan. Oh, yes it is. *cackle* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkerNinja Posted October 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Okay first, I realise this is an OOC forum and I'll say I have nothing against MyWorld (in fact I rather like him on this level) but WHAT???I'm just absolutely baffled that ... you. You, with that tag, of all people, insinuating that MyWorld is a leadership asset to any alliance without a suicide wish is just. Well, it's... beyond adjectives! Gah. edit: wording. still sucks but meh. AFAIK, the guy made a colossal screw up that will relegate him permanently to the B list. But his big major screw up doesn't negate his organizational skills, his ability to manage personnel, or his ability to manipulate other alliances. @AirMe If these guys were appropriately valued for the work that they've done in their respective alliances, they'd be showing up in the other thread. Most of these (exception: Mpol) haven't. @SG I try not to polish the balls of my alliance-mates in so public a fashion. I'll be by this evening once I'm done over a Dan's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Dan Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 (edited) AFAIK, the guy made a colossal screw up that will relegate him permanently to the B list. But his big major screw up doesn't negate his organizational skills, his ability to manage personnel, or his ability to manipulate other alliances. Doitzel said what I wanted. Â It was kind of funny having you mention him. Â I laughed, but then again, you weren't a member of the alliance at the time. Â @AirMeIf these guys were appropriately valued for the work that they've done in their respective alliances, they'd be showing up in the other thread. Most of these (exception: Mpol) haven't. I disagree with that premise. Â Everyone values things differently. Â On top of that, by your admission, these are all "B"-line value people. Â Why, when there is a list of "A" people would you choose a "B" person? Â They apparently have less intrinsic value. Edit: Well, you answered it in your OP. There is no scarcity. So, I disagree with this comment, but agree with the OP. @SGI try not to polish the balls of my alliance-mates in so public a fashion. I'll be by this evening once I'm done over a Dan's. Also, @ SG, he said under-rated, not over-rated. Â Oh snap. P.S. - Walker, wear a tighter dress this time. Edited October 1, 2009 by Dr. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkerNinja Posted October 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 I disagree with that premise. Â Everyone values things differently. Â On top of that, by your admission, these are all "B"-line value people. Â Why, when there is a list of "A" people would you choose a "B" person? Â They apparently have less intrinsic value. Certainly not by my own admission. I am merely drawing upon the data available (the other thread), making an assumption that the OWF crowd is correct (which, let's face it, they're not, but I'd like to run with it for the sake of idle speculation), and drawing the necessary inference from the other thread. After having discovered the necessary inference (that the people discussed extensively in the other thread are the best that the Cyberverse has to offer) I open a new vector of discussion (if you couldn't have your first pick, who would you pick next). So, no, I'm not making a statement of values in this thread. P.S. - Walker, wear a tighter dress this time. You're such a freaky little dude. Alright, Oedipus. One last time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebubu Posted October 1, 2009 Report Share Posted October 1, 2009 Hey is this where us small timers can come for some ego stroking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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