iamthey Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 (edited) JED - Eggman rolls 1-90: win 91-100: failz [IMG]http://imgur.com/OBnmA.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://imgur.com/BeQLk.png[/IMG] Win Win Edited July 21, 2010 by iamthey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manetheren Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 [IMG]http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/6007/stafdgajdlgalklka.jpg[/IMG] First roll to gather intelligence Second roll to incite government propaganda to start a riot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Minister Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=75848&view=findpost&p=2113017 http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=66479&view=findpost&p=1780733 Hello, I have recently crossed over into the realm of a first world nation and have chosen to finally air my dirty laundry. Of my three infantry classes, my top-most tier utilized armor that was illegal for my 'tech' bracket. But its okay, now I'm allowed to 'use' what i've been using this entire time, so its all good. [img]http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww106/mofailla/EliteCadre.jpg?t=1279733631[/img] This is the Elite Cadre's power armor. Its really high tech and shiny, yadda yadda <insert technobabble here>. Nothing out of the norm here.... however, its powered. I don't know how powered, those fibery looking bits are nano fibers that operates by sensing weak bioelectrical signals via electrodes on the operator's skin and sending them to the onboard computer which in turn analyzes them and activates corresponding fibres of the suit, mimicking the wearer's motions. Enhanced strength and what not. However some have said this is potentially illegal. I want to make sure that it isn't and win 20 bucks. The two links are to different types of armor that i've drawn on for inspiration, but they use nano machines and liquid armor... i don't think that i can use liquid armor at my tech, but could i get away with nanomachines if my nano-fibre/electrode combo is illegal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzydog Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 I really think stuff like is just too high tech. Power suits make this look like its 2080, not 2020. :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 For Mudd: 1-30 Fail, 31-100 Win [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/Lynneth_del_Serpentas/AE/Thing286.png[/IMG][IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/Lynneth_del_Serpentas/AE/Thing287.png[/IMG] Intel wins, propaganda fails. RP both, please. For EM: I base my armour on the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_5"]HAL 5[/url] suit for enhanced strength and whatnot, while using some...kind of armour (carbon-nanitube fibers with titanium or tungsten or something, I forgot) for my soldiers. Nanomachines are a big, fat no. Those little buggers are too crazy, even for me. Liquid armour only if it's using a non-Newtonian fluid. Otherwise, again a big fat no. You can power that thing with normal rechargable batteries or this thing here: [url="http://soldiersystems.net/2009/08/13/personal-energy-generator/"]Clicky[/url], some kinda personal energy generator. "Power Armour" is essentially possible, in the restraints of what is possible. So, stay away from nanomachines and other crazy shens like that, and you're fine. Imo, at least. Other GMs, override, veto, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shatner Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 Is [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=89446]this[/url] how we are allowing mergers to be RP'd now? Obviously my self interest would mark me biased, but I think the ridiculousness of this RP is apparent regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 While Mael's Argument with "Alaska was a state" is valid, I still find that the RP in the thread was very little and could be improved quite a bit. I'd very much have liked to have seen more and longer posts describing a shift in Alaska's politics that make them decide unification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Minister Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 [quote name='Shatner' date='21 July 2010 - 04:09 PM' timestamp='1279742960' post='2383111'] Is [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=89446"]this[/url] how we are allowing mergers to be RP'd now? Obviously my self interest would mark me biased, but I think the ridiculousness of this RP is apparent regardless. [/quote] Eh... there's minimalism... and then there's that... I'm inclined to agree Shatner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shatner Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 I'm not intending to argue Mael's point at all, he has the motive for annexation, but Ryan's RP there is frustratingly thin to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 The problem is that with precedent there doesn't need to be much RP, as long as it isn't particularly bad. There's reason for the merger but I do agree that on Ryan's side it was [b]frustratingly[/b] thin. I don't agree with the forcing of people to have to RP weeks of lead-up to it but even if you're going to make a single thread about it, give it some meat or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 Indeed it is. I'd like to see him put more effort into this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 (edited) I'll ask him to rp more about it, but honestly, we can't ask everyone to rp every detail of their states existence otherwise the most trival things start consuming board space. You can't say there isn't a precedent either as there is a historical precedent in that Alaska is a former U.S. state of the First U.S. There is history and blood between these entities that is extremely old. If you would like to see more rp out of it, what exactly would you like to see? What is it you are asking him to do? Consider how I left India, I gave it to Cochin after rping a category 9 earthquake. I didn't do any lengthy tirade rp about it.. I just kind of handed it over. Ryan wants to join the U.S., let him. It is his country. I mean, why do we really care how bad the economy went in Alaska. What value does it bring to the board to have him detail what has pressed him to join the U.S. when most of us do not even recognize economies? Sometimes I smell a strong amount of semantics at play simply out of people wanting to resist a rising power and not a true sentiment for wanting actual rp, just a reason to stand in the way of it. When he joins the U.S. he will have many more opportunities to do things as governor as his state. Just look at the federal election thread.. and then Delaware lobbying Caudill at an international mission.. there's all sorts of things that can be done with internal politics that Ryan can do once he gets there. Things which do have meaning, things which can affect the outcome of U.S. domestic and global events. Edited July 21, 2010 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 Why do the rebels want their independence? What economic troubles force him to give up Yukon? Wouldn't giving up Yukon, the solution to the problem, make it so that he wouldn't need to join the US? It isn't that he didn't RP anything, it's that he RP'd absolutely no detail at all and one of the main reasons (economic troubles) actually defeats itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shatner Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 I'm not wanting to see him RP out every detail. I don't RP out every detail in my nation, but all of my posts at least have substance. I mean at the very least, RPing a meeting with the U.S. would have been a start, or even a cabinet meeting, but he hasn't even done that, which would be what I would consider the bare minimum. Also, what Sargun said. Look, I don't like taking it to OOC, but in this case, the problem is an OOC one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Minister Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 [quote name='Maelstrom Vortex' date='21 July 2010 - 04:39 PM' timestamp='1279744739' post='2383177'] Ryan wants to join the U.S., let him. It is his country. I mean, why do we really care how bad the economy went in Alaska. What value does it bring to the board to have him detail what has pressed him to join the U.S. when most of us do not even recognize economies? [b]Sometimes[/b] I smell a strong amount of semantics at play simply out of people wanting to resist a rising power and not a true sentiment for wanting actual rp, just a reason to stand in the way of it. When he joins the U.S. he will have many more opportunities to do things as governor as his state. [/quote] *sigh* Sometimes? The victim card is getting old... and I hardly have issues with 'powers'... i resist them IC'ly, not OOC'ly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 (edited) Provide him talking points in PM to speak to then. I've provided him a few. The new to this theater of play are not necessarily able to read our minds on what we want out of the context of what is written. Edited July 21, 2010 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manetheren Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 I'd even question IC whether Alaska ever was part of the United States. First off, it was bought in 1867. Now the first USA would be embroiled with civil war against the CSA and Tahoe from 1855-1870 against the first Tahoan rebellion (a failure for Tahoe), the war against the Confederacy (a failure for the Confederacy) and the second Tahoan rebellion (a success). With the USA losing its entire Pacific coastline to the USA, they would of course want some Pacific territory, but during the middle of a hugely expensive 20 year civil war I doubt they would have the money. All which means there is no IC precedent. Nt that it really matters but it should have to be fully RPed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=89416&view=findpost&p=2381734 Mudd is RPing my citizens without my permission. He has no claim to "his citizens" anymore. Me and Vince had our own governments over the territory and popularly supported by a majority of the people in both circumstances, and me and Vince signed an agreement that created two separate governments. Mudd is no longer a government in exile as he controls his own country now, so any argument he can have about them being his citizens is essentially gone and moot. The populace no longer supports his government and this is a well-documented RP that I've done and will not be providing links to again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manetheren Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 150 years of rule by me and a week by you. There is a question over whose citizens they are. Seeing that we agreed OOC to merge and you backtracked on that, I'd say your claim that they are "your" citizens is even more tenuous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 Actually, over a year and a half by me. There is no question over whose citizens they are. [b]Me and Vince[/b] agreed OOC to merge and then [b]he[/b] backtracked on that solely for OOC reasonings, chief among them being "he is a fellow Northwesterner" and "I just wanted to". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 About the citizens: Sargun's nation, Sargun's citizens, Mudd. Unfortunate, but true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Minister Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 Voodoo RP'd Novakian dissenters in Zephyr's Roachin... I fail to see the difference here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 Regarding the issue with Mudd's men being found by Mael and whatnot... Mudd sent me a few maps of beaches. [quote name='Emperor Mudd' date='22 July 2010 - 12:00 AM' timestamp='1279749625']Okay, here are some screen shots of beaches far away from any human habitation. Its possible people are on the beaches, but obiously highly trained special forces are capable of avoiding them. I'll exxplain each beach. [URL=http://img155.imageshack.us/i/beaches1.jpg/]Beach 1[/URL] First is in the Redwoods national forest. You see a road about a mile inland but no other way to get to the beaches, of which there are numerous. There an't any cities for a good ways inland. [URL=http://img638.imageshack.us/i/beaches2.jpg/]Beach 2[/URL] This is the second shot of Redwoods. Again no towns or populated areas. [URL=http://img52.imageshack.us/i/beaches3.jpg/]Beach 3[/URL] This is about 50 miles down the coast and I used this one to show you how remote beaches are even with a town in the middle about 3/4 of a mile inland [URL=http://img46.imageshack.us/i/beaches4.jpg/]Beach 4[/URL] About 100 miles down the coast and a huge long stretch of beach with no habitation for miles. Special forces could easily scan the beach for people before coming inland. [URL=http://img180.imageshack.us/i/beaches5.jpg/]Beach 5[/URL] Most rural beaches yet. The entire coastline can be used for infiltration and not a soul to be seen except logging roads that wouldn't be used in the summer due to fire hazards. Perhaps a few campers but they would be easily avoided.[/quote] Click the links. Forests. Forests EVERYWHERE. No way anyone's gonna find anything there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 (edited) If he had done that before hand I may have respected the RP, but we have no evidence this is post-revisionism. Additionally, I no longer respect spy-roll RPing if GM's are going to say large scale 100 man + military spec ops are spy operations that can't be countered by basic intelligence, not even state intelligence, such as the observation of citizenship and local law enforcement which is present on almost every national beach for any nation that has a formal immigration and counter-smuggling policy. This will have been the second time I have been spy-jacked against basic counter intel measures and I'm not letting it happen any longer until we have an improved espionage system. Other things to consider: What would the true state of the Exiled Nation of Tahoe's intelligence agency be since its entire nation was practically over-run and sent into disorganization? He didn't RP any preservation of his state intelligence system in the face of the war. I guarantee you his RP odds not even half as good as Mudd's IG spy odds and that's another reason I do not respect these rolls. They take no account for the rise and fall of the state of intelligence as a nation comes under distress. In theory the U.S. should have an intelligence service many fold the strength of any Exiled Nation of Tahoe entity because we have inter-agency co-operation and a much larger spy force. I also think that the decision of the GM not to respect the constituting sovereigns of the U.S. have their own intelligence actions to be taken as part of the U.S. CIA is a violation of the CNRP rules by not permitting each member player to have their own intelligence actions. We do not combine military. We are not combining CIA's because of your political motivations to favor smaller nations in order to be "fair" when you are making it "unfair" for our membership who are equally valued members of the community with their own activities to commit to the RP as a part of the U.S. Each player must and will RP their own CIA actions, but we will have 10 to conduct counter intelligence to IDENTIFY Mudd's intrusion if we should seek to. That said, I again repeat it is near statistically impossible for Mudd to go undetected no matter what method we use that takes into account the fair operation of each sovereign state in the U.S. Mudd doesn't even technically have his CIA in CNRP right now. S. Tahoe does. Edited July 21, 2010 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted July 21, 2010 Report Share Posted July 21, 2010 (edited) In most GM sections of RPG source books one of the GMs duties outlined is to prevent one player from doing massive power gaming. Having a single nation that can do 16 spy rolls a day is ridiculous. I have to say the more I'm seeing from the US, (whose merger methods I disagree with) the more its becoming clear that such a super merger needs itself to be addressed. This has nothing to do with tactics or innovation its simply about preserving CN RP from turning away from national RP into alliance RP. Having regional EU with MDAP style organizations are fine, but its pretty clear that huge mergers cause problem. Edited July 21, 2010 by Triyun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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