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I believe we here are happy to see old alliances getting fresh new starts.

We are indeed. Doesn't mean we can't have some fun.

Seriously....isn't SWF still (technically) at war with the NPO? While in the current 'climate' it doesn't really matter, it's something you may wish to take into account.

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We are indeed. Doesn't mean we can't have some fun.

Seriously....isn't SWF still (technically) at war with the NPO? While in the current 'climate' it doesn't really matter, it's something you may wish to take into account.

Well, i thought they gave white peace to everyone! :P

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I love my red zombie brethren, but I find Articles 14-16 of their constitution to be very limiting. [ooc]It was the primary reason that I resigned my military commission in the SWF's twin from a parallel universe. I love a good fight too much to join an alliance that loves peace as much as these fellows.[/ooc]

Regardless, all are great guys and I hope they prosper.

-Craig

Craig, just stop being childish! ;)

We love U too! :)

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We are indeed. Doesn't mean we can't have some fun.

Seriously....isn't SWF still (technically) at war with the NPO? While in the current 'climate' it doesn't really matter, it's something you may wish to take into account.

How do you still remember !@#$ like this?

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Your charter confuses me. Are you a neutral alliance, or will you simply never leave protectorate status? I ask because Article 16 prohibits you from signing ODP or MDP level treaties, which makes it difficult to provide security for your members in the long run.

Secondly, article 7 is a dangerous one. If you need to vote on something time-sensitive or critical, or if you have a bad case of (ooc) RL (/ooc), you might find your alliance paralyzed.

I think you guys need to put a little more thought into this, but best of luck nonetheless.

Edit: Also, article 15 can be interpreted as you guys sanctioning rogues, as you have no mechanism to remove them from your alliance and indeed you have entrenched their right to war without putting any restrictions on that. That, coupled with being prohibited from going to war as an alliance, I guarantee will land you in trouble.

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Thanks again for all the nice comments. I'm happy to see this thread is generating such interest. ^_^

But how about we clear a couple of things up:

So, the Socialist Workers Front isn't Communist?

Nope, although some of our members are. Many are not. We welcome all leftists.

Also, things have changed in the intervening years since SWF last existed. We are not aiming to recreate SWF exactly as it was.

I love my red zombie brethren, but I find Articles 14-16 of their constitution to be very limiting.

Yes, I think that part of our constitution makes us rather unique. Sorry that we are too liberal for you. :P

Also, please don't advertise in our DoE, that was seriously messed up.

The International can't appease everyone's ideals, but it's easier to see when people are looking for reasons to quit, and start their own alliance.

Why don't you go straight to hell? I didn't found this alliance, and no one is sadder to see the direction INT is taking than me. I was just going to quit entirely, but I figured I might as well help some good comrades get set-up. And for the record, you were a dick to work with when I was your deputy that one term.

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...Article 16 prohibits you from signing ODP or MDP level treaties, which makes it difficult to provide security for your members in the long run.

Article 16 prevents MDPs but not ODPs. In the long run, our constitution will be re-written should we reach 30 members and thus the size of our alliance makes it unfeasible to continue following this constitution.

Secondly, article 7 is a dangerous one. If you need to vote on something time-sensitive or critical, or if you have a bad case of (ooc) RL (/ooc), you might find your alliance paralyzed.

We'll be ok, but thanks for the concern! Again, small numbers of people are easy to organize informally.

Edit: Also, article 15 can be interpreted as you guys sanctioning rogues, as you have no mechanism to remove them from your alliance and indeed you have entrenched their right to war without putting any restrictions on that. That, coupled with being prohibited from going to war as an alliance, I guarantee will land you in trouble.

Article 15 prevents anyone from forcing anyone else to go to war. That doesn't mean we won't ever attack rouges because we want to. B)

Hoped that helped!

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Article 16 prevents MDPs but not ODPs. In the long run, our constitution will be re-written should we reach 30 members and thus the size of our alliance makes it unfeasible to continue following this constitution.

Not to nitpick, but article 16 DOES prevent ODPs.

Art. 16. No treaty may be signed by the SWF whose conditions may force the Front to declare war.

ODPs may force your alliance to war, and are therefore prohibited.

='Defender']Article 15 prevents anyone from forcing anyone else to go to war. That doesn't mean we won't ever attack rouges because we want to. B)

Again, not to nitpick, but attacking a rogue from your alliance (not a rogue attacking your alliance) takes away their right to war. Therefore, you are not allowed to under your charter.

Vague charters are a big cause of trouble, I urge you to consider rewording it.

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ODPs may force your alliance to war, and are therefore prohibited.

Technically, ODP's never FORCE you to go to war. They provide you with a way in if you choose, but it's never forced.

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Technically, ODP's never FORCE you to go to war. They provide you with a way in if you choose, but it's never forced.

Bah, I suppose that's true. But since the leaders of the alliance can't force their alliance to go to war, signing ODPs would still be useless.

/me shrugs

I dunno... I just hate vaguely worded charters that don't stand up to scrutiny. But, they can do what they want.

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Bah, I suppose that's true. But since the leaders of the alliance can't force their alliance to go to war, signing ODPs would still be useless.

At the same time, can you imagine the mess you'd see if an alliance went to war without any sort of "treaty" connections no matter how trivial in nature? They'd be called "bandwagoners" and subsequently crushed.

Though I suppose with this alliance, that's not a bad alternative at all.

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I remember when the left was all fractured like this, and then everyone ditched the LSF, good times. Welcome back and hopefully history does not repeat.

INT and LSF are treatied forever, and SWF is a protectorate of the LSF. I think that everyone knows better than to engage the SWF.

-Craig

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INT and LSF are treatied forever, and SWF is a protectorate of the LSF. I think that everyone knows better than to engage the SWF.

-Craig

assuming that anyone around here knows better than to do anything is your first mistake, Mr. Craig.

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