Marcvs Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 Ordo Mechanicus hereby recognizes defeat against Aevum. We apologize for the hostilities originating from our alliance against theirs, as well as any false statements or accussations made against them. OM would like to distance themselves from any of their nations who refused to fight back in this war or assist their fellow alliance members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hitchcock Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Marcvs said: Ordo Mechanicus hereby recognizes defeat against Aevum. You suck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctis Lucis Caelum Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 Thank you for the apology, good luck rebuilding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctis Lucis Caelum Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Lord Hitchcock said: You suck I think they did the right thing here and there is nothing wrong with them admitting a loss, as well as apologizing for their mistakes. If you were hoping for an expansion from this, it wasn't going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted July 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 When members of your alliance do not even defend themselves, it is useless to continue. Without SDI it is useless to continue war Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWilliam Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 I really don't mean to come across as a hater but if you can't adequately defend yourself from two nations then you really have no business existing as an alliance of your own. I'd suggest either seriously consider improving your alliance so you can defend yourselves from even the smallest of threats or do your membership a favor and disband/merge. Either way, best of luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Kanabis Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 2 hours ago, Marcvs said: Ordo Mechanicus hereby recognizes defeat against Aevum. We apologize for the hostilities originating from our alliance against theirs, as well as any false statements or accussations made against them. OM would like to distance themselves from any of their nations who refused to fight back in this war or assist their fellow alliance members. Wow. Had we not been engaged elsewhere we would have helped you out here. Even Hitchy offered you assistance and he only does that when he's in a good mood. Guess it's your call. Best of luck all the same. o/ OM #ohnoitsmethrage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galerion Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) So this means Aevum defeated CotM as protectorates are essentially extensions of their protector. Edited July 20, 2017 by Galerion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berbers Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 Wait, OM had a protector that let Methrage beat them up? Ouch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slymenstra hymen Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 The Vulvatron alliance laughs at your incompetence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaBeeGipson Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 41 minutes ago, berbers said: Wait, OM had a protector that let Methrage beat them up? Ouch That's harsh, who is there protector? Also, I agree with the above. Granted I've never ran my own alliance, you have to know ahead of time you're going to need to adequately provide protection and order within your alliance or things like this will just repeat themselves. Especially since you've now shown the world you gave in to 2 nations because you lacked an SDI. That isn't going to present itself a good deterrent from future raiders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Khan Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Marcvs said: When members of your alliance do not even defend themselves, it is useless to continue. There's a special place for you guys, you're not alone. You can mix with like minded individuals, share stories and stuff. Sign up here. Edited July 20, 2017 by Emperor Khan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonewall14 Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 The end...cool story brochachos... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Chocolate Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 5 hours ago, Galerion said: So this means Aevum defeated CotM as protectorates are essentially extensions of their protector. A Protectorate is not an extension of their protector anymore than a child is an extension of a parent or a pet is an extension of it's owner. What this means is for whatever reason (ask them) CotM did not get involved. I'm sure if Ordo Mechanic is concerned they will be looking for a different protector. If they are not concerned (maybe they wanted to deal with it on their own) that's their choice too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hitchcock Posted July 20, 2017 Report Share Posted July 20, 2017 1 minute ago, White Chocolate said: A Protectorate is not an extension of their protector anymore than a child is an extension of a parent or a pet is an extension of it's owner. What this means is for whatever reason (ask them) CotM did not get involved. I'm sure if Ordo Mechanic is concerned they will be looking for a different protector. If they are not concerned (maybe they wanted to deal with it on their own) that's their choice too. CotM butchered this. They shoulda just upgraded OMs treaty to an ODP so that they wouldn't have to defend them. Noobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Chocolate Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Lord Hitchcock said: CotM butchered this. They shoulda just upgraded OMs treaty to an ODP so that they wouldn't have to defend them. Noobs. Well, much of CotM were previously neutral for a long time. Perhaps they ARE new to the finer points of treaty manipulation. I am sure they will take your advice into consideration the next time Edited July 21, 2017 by White Chocolate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 The $%&@ is wrong with you guys? If you can't even fight off Noctis by his lonesome, I imagine you couldn't fight your way out of a wet paper bag. This is hardly what I would call an alliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaineGOP Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Come on, you have to at least give Meth some credit here, two nations took down an alliance that had quite a lip on them. All that bravado and memes... Good luck to all involved... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 31 minutes ago, Fox Fire said: The $%&@ is wrong with you guys? If you can't even fight off Noctis by his lonesome, I imagine you couldn't fight your way out of a wet paper bag. This is hardly what I would call an alliance. Did you ever think they just didn't really care about the surrendering aspect to just put the situation behind them, the better option for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mogar said: Did you ever think they just didn't really care about the surrendering aspect to just put the situation behind them, the better option for everyone. Yeah sure. I think they call that cowardice or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctis Lucis Caelum Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Fox Fire said: The $%&@ is wrong with you guys? If you can't even fight off Noctis by his lonesome, I imagine you couldn't fight your way out of a wet paper bag. This is hardly what I would call an alliance. I know the war system better than most, so they could see my advantage was growing as the war continued. Also Grammaton is no push over either, so it made sense for them to simply admit defeat instead of finishing the round like we had originally planned when they saw my lead would only grow as the round continued. I wish them luck in bettering themselves in the future, hopefully they learned a thing or two from our fight. I think many of you are a little hard on them. They were overconfident early on, but later realized the war wasn't going how they imagined it would and wanted to put this whole thing behind us. Better they learn from where they went wrong in this war and preserve some of their strength, then they can try to better prepare themselves for any future wars. Edited July 21, 2017 by Noctis Lucis Caelum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hitchcock Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Noctis Lucis Caelum said: I know the war system better than most, so they could see my advantage was growing as the war continued. Also Grammaton is no push over either, so it made sense for them to simply admit defeat instead of finishing the round like we had originally planned when they saw my lead would only grow as the round continued. I wish them luck in bettering themselves in the future, hopefully they learned a thing or two from our fight. I think many of you are a little hard on them. They were overconfident early on, but later realized the war wasn't going how they imagined it would and wanted to put this whole thing behind us. Better they learn from where they went wrong in this war and preserve some of their strength, then they can try to better prepare themselves for any future wars. I gotta hand it to ya methrage, you ripped right through Kashmir, and now OM. (Side note: I think OM put up a better fight) Edited July 21, 2017 by Lord Hitchcock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Enema Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 So when methrage stuffed his nuts down your throat, did he at least ask nicely or did he just grab two hands full of hair and jam them in there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted July 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) I did not want the intervention of CotM and the help of other players who wrote to me on Discord. Maybe I had to accept but it was not honorable for me, to ask or receive for help. As far as OM is concerned, we are an alliance with less than 100 days of life and our nations are all newbie. We have a long way to go, I think our yield is not a drama Edited July 21, 2017 by Marcvs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galerion Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, White Chocolate said: A Protectorate is not an extension of their protector anymore than a child is an extension of a parent or a pet is an extension of it's owner. What this means is for whatever reason (ask them) CotM did not get involved. I'm sure if Ordo Mechanic is concerned they will be looking for a different protector. If they are not concerned (maybe they wanted to deal with it on their own) that's their choice too. A protectorate treaty unlike most other treaties can have one alliance concede a amount of sovereignty to another, if sovereignty is indeed being conceded then they are a extension. The question is if sovereignty is not being conceded then what is the point for the protector to agree to such a treaty, I would say they should be using a different treaty type if sovereignty is not being conceded. As for your example a child or pet is a extensions of the family with the parent or owner ultimately responsible for the child or pet, when applied to this instance; CotM is responsible for OM and therefore OM's defeat is also CotM's defeat. Edited July 21, 2017 by Galerion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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