DeathAdder Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 Don't kid yourself Alex. I worked with the likes of those that the AA calls your friends for almost four long years. You're a meatshield, nothing more. And when you're done burning for them, they'll go back to laughing at you. The biggest shame is that the Alliance seems to have forgotten that, and just went back to serving those faux-moralists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandros o Megas Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 20 minutes ago, DeathAdder said: Don't kid yourself Alex. I worked with the likes of those that the AA calls your friends for almost four long years. You're a meatshield, nothing more. And when you're done burning for them, they'll go back to laughing at you. The biggest shame is that the Alliance seems to have forgotten that, and just went back to serving those faux-moralists. Hello DA! You know that apart of been the Senatus in Black sphere, I have never actually got involved into politics. So my question was not retorhic but wondering about the game nature and future. I do not have any objection to fight till ZI, ZT, ZL, Z$ but where that goes afterwards ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathAdder Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) That will be entirely up to you, and those who are truly loyal to Sparta, and actually put in the work of the blood, sweat, and tears for years like you and I did. For seven years, I did everything that was possible to move us in a new direction than being under the shadow of the Friends > Pixels side. Notice that they're always the ones who don't have any pixels? I wondered why that was. Then I became King and I saw what they are actually like: Liars, who openly fought against people who held grudges, who ultimately admitted to me that even they held grudges against Alliances. Wanna-be honorables who sit in private messages and threaten alliances they've fought alongside unless they're added to surrender terms. And last but not least, blowhards who turn against their own strategies and then turn against you when you won't burn for their puppet factions who made a stupid move without consulting anyone. Hypocrits, the whole lot, who can't even understand the most basic principals of Economic mechanics, much less the concepts of Warfare and Politics. You think that side would be any better if they had power? No. They would be worse. At least this side plays the Realpolitiks and don't have to hide behind lies and false morality while having none. Edited March 10, 2017 by DeathAdder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Kay Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Mogar said: I have no intentions of joining those who wish to destroy me, I realize Polar seemingly has no issues with that but I question whether or not you'd be thrown to the wolves by your new friends should fortunes change(hint: you would) Political forgiveness is what led to such a lopsided world in the first place, I somehow doubt it would create a more even world based off the current result. Given that many alliances are old and many have fought each other before, how does one grow their influence without political forgiveness? You can't. No, people playing politics creates a lopsided world because those who don't play politics or go off of friendship a lone end up isolated. Edited March 10, 2017 by Jay Kay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berbers Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 Good show Polar, Oculus clearly needed outside help, glad you were there to have their back. Oh wait, no they didn't, you bandwagoned in early to avoid any possibility a treaty would trigger you to the losing side. Scum. I can't wait for you to get dropped and the 2017 Polar roll to get started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justavictim82 Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, AlmightyGrub said: I think you have missed something along the way..... or do you not remember Sparta attacking us last war? Goose, gander, good for both. Like you hitting an MDP level trade partner of Sparta's last war offensively? I knew your knowledge of treaties function was hazy even now but I didn't think you were this obtuse. Edited March 10, 2017 by justavictim82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abshire Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, Alexandros o Megas said: What is the benefit of having players of 5 or even 10 years leave the game or lose their nation or for younger nations of 0-1 year making them to leave the game early? The benefit is that the game dies. Is that not obvious? 3 hours ago, Jay Kay said: No, people playing politics creates a lopsided world because those who don't play politics or go off of friendship a lone end up isolated. Another guy who gets it. 1 hour ago, berbers said: Oh wait, no they didn't, you bandwagoned in early to avoid any possibility a treaty would trigger you to the losing side. From an insider with direct knowledge of the war scheming, I can confirm that this is entirely inaccurate. I cannot, however, confirm the same for your AA's entry into the war. That saying about glass houses and throwing stones seems appropriate here. Edited March 10, 2017 by Abshire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 It doesn't have to be one or the other. Alliance leaders should balance realpolitik and morality, because doing so creates lasting justice and stability. Those of us who survived the excesses of the original Hegemony will remember that abandoning morality often leads to insanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berbers Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Abshire said: The benefit is that the game dies. Is that not obvious? Another guy who gets it. From an insider with direct knowledge of the war scheming, I can confirm that this is entirely inaccurate. I cannot, however, confirm the same for your AA's entry into the war. That saying about glass houses and throwing stones seems appropriate here. Ok I guess you really needed Polar to win this war, very sorry. Also there must be no chance of a Polar MDP ally getting pulled in on the losing side. I apologize for my clearly flawed analysis. AFAIK my AA had no path to the losing side, so...not sure where that comparison stands in terms of truth. Then again I barely pay attention to anything other than blowing up pixels and apparently Polar being scum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abshire Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 16 minutes ago, berbers said: Ok I guess you really needed Polar to win this war, very sorry. Also there must be no chance of a Polar MDP ally getting pulled in on the losing side. I apologize for my clearly flawed analysis. AFAIK my AA had no path to the losing side, so...not sure where that comparison stands in terms of truth. Then again I barely pay attention to anything other than blowing up pixels and apparently Polar being scum. Who said anything about "need"? Polar wanted to roll Sparta, they're rolling Sparta. Their entry has very little to do with the maroon conflict expect that it presented a favorable window for them to do what they were already inclined to do. Since Oc has no desire to fight Polar, we could, and would, have easily avoided triggering a treaty that would have pulled them into the other side. Every AA has a path to the losing side. That being said, I was referring primarily to your bandwagoning comment since it was SLAP (53-nations) that oA-ed onto the curbstomp of Avalanche (19-nations). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) Whoops, ignore. Edited March 10, 2017 by Haflinger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 On 2017-03-09 at 7:55 AM, Abshire said: Are you saying that so far only terrible AAs are fighting, or that so far only terrible AAs are getting rolled? The former. 13 hours ago, Alexandros o Megas said: 2,189,911 Attacking + 8,839,574 Defending = 11,029,485 Casualties Wow, that's quite the lopsided casualty numbers there my man. You should probably try discovering how to ground attack. Number of Soldiers Lost: 5,373,337 Attacking + 10,021,975 Defending = 15,395,312 Casualties I mean, my numbers are kinda bad too, but partly that's because I've spent so much of my wars fighting 6v1 (or lately 7v1). 6 hours ago, berbers said: Scum. I can't wait for you to get dropped and the 2017 Polar roll to get started. Don't hold your breath; Electron Sponge is long gone, and these guys are treated as favourite meatshields these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 Don't forget that at one point Polar lead the world as a moralist alliance. Emperor Dajobo was a great leader and arguably lead the Order through it's greatest days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandros o Megas Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Haflinger said: The former. Wow, that's quite the lopsided casualty numbers there my man. You should probably try discovering how to ground attack. Number of Soldiers Lost: 5,373,337 Attacking + 10,021,975 Defending = 15,395,312 Casualties I mean, my numbers are kinda bad too, but partly that's because I've spent so much of my wars fighting 6v1 (or lately 7v1). Don't hold your breath; Electron Sponge is long gone, and these guys are treated as favourite meatshields these days. The same happened in my case, as in many wars I was fighting too with many mo0re opponents and usually like now many times my size. Just to get an idea - from nations that are still in game and I fought against once or more times - a list is here: Germanic Empire Willaim Kreiger Wa Daszistien Wa Dasz Lacedaemon Banned Dreadnaught lunar146 We Are One Love onelove SlaveII losinglife Tenochtitlan Javier360 OTTOTTO OTTOTTO pffoo jonah spark Royal Arc thecapo Deutsheland PlanckBorn cymru-am-byth tannerus the great Survivors qwe1230 underworld overlord bahl Empire of Imran Imran Ehsan Saldaea TBRaiders Janus Artigo jutopia land Jutopia Ranus Jekalle Grand Lac Clevelumbus maghrib tagmoute Dagon Da DreadLord king Tom King Tom Metal Militia mprinz71 Lodoss Revol Mudfoot Lenny N Karl Technopolis htmlmaster Fantastica Sventington SetiCrunchers Seti Cruncher Rock of Gibraltar seriouslyseldomseen Zarkadia zarks Theoria Willie The Pimp Modis ace1963 Indijanci 123Duca AAAAAAAAAAGGGG AAAAAAAAAAGGGG Quintana Roo Bhane Iherudia Iherud Baxter Bomber66 Mos Eisley pd73bassman Chana JoshuaR ThePromisedLand CubaQuerida Wilmark Republic Commander Bean Onion Onion Astrum Aeternos Astramora Seria Bob Janova Quickcall Thomas123 Neftyaniki The Evilest Eye Fish Master Dealmaster13 FallenSeraphim LiquidMercury 203 nukes on Hellas made the stats! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 22 minutes ago, Immortan Junka said: Don't forget that at one point Polar lead the world as a moralist alliance. Emperor Dajobo was a great leader and arguably lead the Order through it's greatest days. Something we can certainly agree on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Spanier Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 So Polar, once you and your new friends are done snuffing out the last of your former sphere, will you have enough reputation points to formally join Oculus? I assume that's how the application process works post-formation, sort of like sacrificing your first born son in a pentagram or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auctor Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 The whole zinger thing works better if you've actually done anything in the last four years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaTeMuP Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 21 minutes ago, James Spanier said: So Polar, once you and your new friends are done snuffing out the last of your former sphere, will you have enough reputation points to formally join Oculus? I assume that's how the application process works post-formation, sort of like sacrificing your first born son in a pentagram or something. We aren't looking to join Oculus, we were looking to hit Sparta. Sparta gave us the opportunity, so we took it. Other than Cowboys picking up a few targets we couldn't reach, I'm not sure to which friends you are referring that are hitting Sparta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) 15 hours ago, Mogar said: I have no intentions of joining those who wish to destroy me, I realize Polar seemingly has no issues with that but I question whether or not you'd be thrown to the wolves by your new friends should fortunes change(hint: you would) Political forgiveness is what led to such a lopsided world in the first place, I somehow doubt it would create a more even world based off the current result. That's where you're wrong, but we've always been playing two different games, C&G might be much smaller but to pretend as though Friends > Pixels should not be the case is why every war is a curbstomp, there's so few willing to defend a friend on the losing side. Wars these days are a curb stomp because the insolvent are not wise enough to seek solvency, putting friendship above sovereignty has put many a nation in its grave. Friendship is a way to seek sovereignty, but it requires the right friends. Edited March 10, 2017 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 Just now, Maelstrom Vortex said: Wars these days are a curb stomp because the insolvent are not wise enough to seek solvency, putting friendship above sovereignty has put many a nation in its grave. I could make the argument putting security over sovereignty does the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 I think you are confused on the definition of sovereignty. If you have sovereignty, you have security. If you have no security, you have never been sovereign to begin with.You're literally bait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Spanier Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 5 hours ago, EaTeMuP said: We aren't looking to join Oculus, we were looking to hit Sparta. Sparta gave us the opportunity, so we took it. Other than Cowboys picking up a few targets we couldn't reach, I'm not sure to which friends you are referring that are hitting Sparta. I wasn't limiting my statement to Sparta. What's left of the old SuperFriends/Aftermath are being rolled by your new partners. Avalanche and Legion are as well. What was once Polarsphere is being cratered while Polar itself partakes, not that in your case Sparta didn't deserve it. While I don't like Polar over past complications, I don't like Sparta even more (or for that matter, most of past or present Polarsphere), so it's less of a criticism and more of an observation/inquiry on if there's an endgame among it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cazaric Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 14 minutes ago, James Spanier said: I don't like Sparta even more We should have kept Octaviafleur around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 25 minutes ago, James Spanier said: What was once Polarsphere is being cratered while Polar itself partakes Not exactly something new to this war you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Spanier Posted March 11, 2017 Report Share Posted March 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, Immortan Junka said: Not exactly something new to this war you know. Sure, but these latest actions are squeezing out the stragglers, unless there's a group of AA's from Polarshere I can't remember (which is possible). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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