Sephiroth Posted January 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) Just now, Lord Hitchcock said: I nominate Sir William, I have always sensed a libertarian sparkle in his eye He already seems to be moving in on Brown, maybe because he wants to be LPC. Edited January 14, 2017 by Sephiroth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hitchcock Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) Edited January 14, 2017 by Lord Hitchcock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWilliam Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 33 minutes ago, Sephiroth said: He already seems to be moving in on Brown, maybe because he wants to be LPC. Heh, not really. It's more about defense and leverage (as I intimated on IRC). Brown team, after all, has long harbored rogues and individuals that have sought to endanger Kashmir (I realize there are good people on brown so it's far from my intent to condemn it in its entirety). Also, lol LH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roal36 Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 3 hours ago, Lucius Optimus said: So long story short, you want to unite all libertarians into one group. I still can't believe that SNX is now a libertarian alliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Gorgoth Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 23 minutes ago, Roal36 said: I still can't believe that SNX is now a libertarian alliance. I know and not even over Junka's dead body! He's in there in a high position and is very much alive!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Kanabis Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Just now, Lord Hitchcock said: Lmao ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Optimus Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, General Gorgoth said: I know and not even over Junka's dead body! He's in there in a high position and is very much alive!!! More than a few srange things are going on in CN today Edited January 14, 2017 by Lucius Optimus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted January 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 7 minutes ago, Lucius Optimus said: More than a few srange things are going on in CN today Sometimes it takes a visionary to shake things up like today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabcat Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 I'd just like to point out that the difference between anarcho/libertarian capitalists and anarcho/libertarian communists/socialists/syndicalists isn't a slight one. They have nothing in common at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted January 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Sabcat said: I'd just like to point out that the difference between anarcho/libertarian capitalists and anarcho/libertarian communists/socialists/syndicalists isn't a slight one. They have nothing in common at all. You should join, maybe you'll find wehave a lot more in common than you think. I think this Universal Basic Income Trial the Finish are trying is interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 3 hours ago, Sabcat said: I'd just like to point out that the difference between anarcho/libertarian capitalists and anarcho/libertarian communists/socialists/syndicalists isn't a slight one. They have nothing in common at all. i'd like to point out that you're correcting a man who thought this was the place to give everyone the definitions for all those groups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razgriz24 Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 3 hours ago, Sabcat said: I'd just like to point out that the difference between anarcho/libertarian capitalists and anarcho/libertarian communists/socialists/syndicalists isn't a slight one. They have nothing in common at all. They do in leftist fairy tales, where one feels they can balance the power of they state if they have absolute control of it. It's kind of like a form of mental illness, to think that the state has too much power therefore the state should have all power to reduce its power. OOC See:The national socialist libertarian green party - a group of self-back-patting insane socialist hippies with the political ideology of a schizophrenic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) Disclaimer: the opinions and statements made in this thread do not necessarily represent the Imperium of Supernova X. Our original agreement was signed by Sigrun and Sir Kindle; we welcome Anarch back to the LPCN but he does not represent ISX in an official capacity. Edited January 14, 2017 by Immortan Junka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alonso Quixano Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 13 hours ago, Sephiroth said: I think they should work together, all of them using the same AAs isn't needed. I think a lot of people should try to learn more about Libertarianism as well, because if they did many more would be Libertarians. You'll find that ISX is not even remotely close to being libertarian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, Alonso Quixano said: You'll find that ISX is not even remotely close to being libertarian. Our form of libertarianism is called autocratic democracy. Our members are free to resign if they so chose, but must abide by the rules to remain full members. This is no different than any voluntery organization that abides by the non-aggression principle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabcat Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Sephiroth said: You should join, maybe you'll find wehave a lot more in common than you think. I think this Universal Basic Income Trial the Finish are trying is interesting. We really don't have anything in common at all. 33 minutes ago, Razgriz24 said: They do in leftist fairy tales, where one feels they can balance the power of they state if they have absolute control of it. It's kind of like a form of mental illness, to think that the state has too much power therefore the state should have all power to reduce its power. OOC See:The national socialist libertarian green party - a group of self-back-patting insane socialist hippies with the political ideology of a schizophrenic. You've just literally given a summary of Bakunin's criticism of Marx which is nice and all but nothing at all to do with the differences between anarcho capitalists and anarcho socialists. 1 hour ago, Neo Uruk said: i'd like to point out that you're correcting a man who thought this was the place to give everyone the definitions for all those groups This is a fair point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWilliam Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Perhaps my memory fails me here but hasn't he tried recruiting you before, Sabcat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 Generally poaching is frowned upon in this establishment, Triumvir Anarch. If you ever desire my counsel, I will be here for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted January 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, SirWilliam said: Perhaps my memory fails me here but hasn't he tried recruiting you before, Sabcat? Panarchism is a political philosophy emphasizing each individual's right to freely join and leave the jurisdiction of any governments they choose, without being forced to move from their current locale. The word "panarchy" was invented and the concept proposed by a Belgian political economist, Paul Émile de Puydt, in an article called "Panarchy" published in 1860. The word "panarchy" has since taken on additional, separate meanings, with the word "panarchism" referring to the original definition by de Puydt. De Puydt, a proponent of laissez-faire economics, wrote that "governmental competition" would allow "as many regularly competing governments as have ever been conceived and will ever be invented" to exist simultaneously and detailed how such a system would be implemented. As David M. Hart writes: "Governments would become political churches, only having jurisdiction over their congregations who had elected to become members." Panarchism has been embraced by some anarcho-capitalists and libertarian socialists, including some of those promoting secession from existing states and those advocating creation of new micronations. Max Nettlau in the early 1900s and John Zube in the latter part of the century wrote extensively on the concept Libertarians and Anarchists have more in common than we do different; we all just want to be free. Also we can be, we all have a god given rights to exercise our freedoms. Panarchism is a belief Anarchists of all types should try joining together and not destroy each other. We need to introduce them. We can make them join if we can get them interested in conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabcat Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 18 minutes ago, SirWilliam said: Perhaps my memory fails me here but hasn't he tried recruiting you before, Sabcat? He once said something creepy about having me in the palm of his hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted January 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 57 minutes ago, Immortan Junka said: Our form of libertarianism is called autocratic democracy. Our members are free to resign if they so chose, but must abide by the rules to remain full members. This is no different than any voluntery organization that abides by the non-aggression principle. SNX is an autocratic alliance maybe, but that doesn't link with me with anything bad. We are primarily a decentralized Anarchist force. Each of Anarchy is is any Chapter able to take unilateral action on their own missions. Everybody just is free to live however they war, half our missions are almost suicide missions for many. It depends on each Charter how big the risk grows to lose the area.. You can help me out and maybe send aid or teck for tradesl Since we are decentralized, SNX can be some odd variation of Libertarianism,, as long as they don't get in the way of others are doing better work.Each Chapter of Anarchy lead their own path as long as they respond the most important rules. Sabcart will join eventually, we've been friendlier than enemies. Way back before he was Kashmir.. You were one of my most active LSF meets. So you were my ally first, but for a much longer and better than these manipulative loons. I want to go recruit each active Citadel emember who showed great potential. you of course did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alonso Quixano Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Immortan Junka said: Our form of libertarianism is called autocratic democracy. Our members are free to resign if they so chose, but must abide by the rules to remain full members. This is no different than any voluntery organization that abides by the non-aggression principle. That's not a form of Libertarianism it's called personal choice, and submissive form of imperialism. Just because it's no different doesn't mean it's libertarianism, unless you are calling every other organization that follows "abide by the rules to remain full members," Libertarian alliances. I'm not saying the way you run your alliance is wrong, or bad. I'm just saying it's Imperial, and not Libertarian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted January 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 7 minutes ago, Alonso Quixano said: That's not a form of Libertarianism it's called personal choice, and submissive form of imperialism. Just because it's no different doesn't mean it's libertarianism, unless you are calling every other organization that follows "abide by the rules to remain full members," Libertarian alliances. I'm not saying the way you run your alliance is wrong, or bad. I'm just saying it's Imperial, and not Libertarian. If you think you understand Libertarianism, you easily pass the test.. You should join us and take some good hitsl More micros like yours who know enough about libertarian-sim can bring a greater Libertarian meaninging to all of us. Imagiine your alliance being the 5 in the LPC; having a seat at the table to give your put before we vote on big decisions.. So I trust you will abide by Libertarian Rules while you team up with us for a while? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Alonso Quixano said: That's not a form of Libertarianism it's called personal choice, and submissive form of imperialism. Just because it's no different doesn't mean it's libertarianism, unless you are calling every other organization that follows "abide by the rules to remain full members," Libertarian alliances. I'm not saying the way you run your alliance is wrong, or bad. I'm just saying it's Imperial, and not Libertarian. Rules are important for the functioning of any large organization. We are not a warband, nor a streetgang, but rather a civilized alliance that produces tens of thousands of tech each month. Allowing members to do as they please would jeopardize the security of the entire alliance. If people do not like the rules, they are free to leave. Some have. If Anarch wishes to do as he pleases, very well. I am just noting in this thread he does not have our unconditional backing. Edited January 14, 2017 by Immortan Junka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysergide Posted January 14, 2017 Report Share Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Immortan Junka said: autocratic democracy. This says more than I could ever. Edited January 14, 2017 by Lysergide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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