Announcement regarding SPATR-Oculus War

[shahenshah]

On 9/16/2016 at 10:17 PM, IYIyTh said:

 

Yes, no damage at all. Nothing to see. It can be rebuilt since all of the alliances in Oculus are essentially the 100 nations left playing this game, and they're all allied to each other because they're feckless scum.

Sky is yellow and you're a unicorn. 

[Haflinger]

I thought Pansy was the unicorn.

[murtibing]

On 9/18/2016 at 9:42 PM, Haflinger said:

You're down at 22K, man.

 

The last 5 nations which were fighting against me:

 

1) Neo Ancient Greece (IRON) - currently at 1.6k tech, military wonders, 3.5bil war chest
2) My Hero Party (DT) - currently at 2.8k tech, military wonders, 4.8bil war chest, navy
3) Novasea (NPO) - currently at 5.3k tech, military wonders, 200mil war chest
4) RHLand (NPO) - currently at 7.9k tech, military wonders, less than 100mil war chest
5) Tundra Mountain (GLoF) - currently at 4.8k tech, military wonders, 5bil war chest, navy

 

These are their current tech levels (i.e. reduced due to the wars).

 

So like I said there is a lot of nations in Oculus which dropped down (or just were staying in lower ranges deliberately) and thus they have military wonders. In some cases they even have advantage in some areas, like working EMP or navy.

Edited September 20, 2016 by murtibing

[Auctor]

That sounds just awful. I feel so bad for you.

[Haflinger]

Heh, two of those are NPO nations and one is IRON. When we were fighting Oculus members, we weren't fighting NPO or IRON. Different alliances apparently leads to a different fighting experience

[Stonewall14]

Can I sig that Auctor?

[Blackatron]

On 21 September 2016 at 4:01 AM, Haflinger said:

Heh, two of those are NPO nations and one is IRON. When we were fighting Oculus members, we weren't fighting NPO or IRON. Different alliances apparently leads to a different fighting experience

Note the "IRON" nation was an MI6 nation up until like 2 weeks ago. (Not actually insinuating anything about either IRON or MI6 here, just pointing out that Neo Ancient Greece didn't get to where it was today in IRON.)

[Sephiroth]

On 9/10/2016 at 4:32 PM, Immortan Junka said:

 

I think this is an excellent idea. I assume you are willing to back your allies with military force if negotiations fail?

Had they given military support against SRA, Kashmir or those we were fighting when this started, we would have assisted militarely without question. However they chose not to fight alongside us or side with us those wars. We're open to diplomatic efforts and discussing whether we should strengthen ties. However we're not expected to fight and we didn't expect them to fight for us.

 

Although it's really none of your business and your motives are transparent.

[IYIyTh]

This entire conflict is garbage. The participants should've steeped some tea and gotten it over with. I can see now that nothing has changed. Never change planet bob.

 

Black Tea Matters

[Fermion]

On 9/22/2016 at 4:19 PM, Blackatron said:

Note the "IRON" nation was an MI6 nation up until like 2 weeks ago. (Not actually insinuating anything about either IRON or MI6 here, just pointing out that Neo Ancient Greece didn't get to where it was today in IRON.)

Before that he was in IRON

[Blackatron]

http://www.cybernations.net/alliance_display.asp?ID=14939

 

Ghosts of Doom?

[Fox Fire]

On 9/13/2016 at 5:13 PM, Argus Panoptes said:

 

I've visited this thread 3 times now and still fail to understand what the announcement is. Help me out guys.

I think they're asking for peace. 

[Cazaric]

Given that they've been held to war for about eight months, can you really blame them? Ridiculous.

[murtibing]

On 10/29/2016 at 9:12 PM, Blackatron said:

Ghosts of Doom?

 

Two members left MONGOLS and created their own alliance.

 

16 hours ago, Cazaric said:

Given that they've been held to war for about eight months, can you really blame them? Ridiculous.

 

I guess that Oculus wants to continue this war until SPATR Coalition is defeated. In any case, SPATR and MONGOLS haven't received any peace offer from Oculus Coaliton so far.

Edited November 6, 2016 by murtibing

[Haflinger]

Yeah I think they've been pretty clear that they're waiting until you actually sue for peace.

[Dre4mwe4ver]

13 hours ago, Haflinger said:

Yeah I think they've been pretty clear that they're waiting until you actually sue for peace.

But if you can't afford an attorney, will one be appointed for you?

[Haflinger]

In your case, I expect you're only pretending to be that much of a doofus.

[Dre4mwe4ver]

Honestly, nowadays, I'm not even sure anymore

[Blackatron]

Bones is gone, hasn't everybody had enough now?

[Fox Fire]

On 11/6/2016 at 0:34 AM, Cazaric said:

Given that they've been held to war for about eight months, can you really blame them? Ridiculous.

Well they could try asking instead of demanding we ask. As far as I can tell we have no reason to ask them for anything other than fun!

 

 

So many people I'd rather have around than anyone in that coalition anyway. 

[Prozenz]

13 hours ago, Blackatron said:

Bones is gone, hasn't everybody had enough now?

We still have moneys, and enjoy every penny we've spent nuking the helpless nation. :lol:

[Mogar]

On 11/7/2016 at 9:54 AM, Dre4mwe4ver said:

But if you can't afford an attorney, will one be appointed for you?

I am always open to solving any and all world crises.

[murtibing]

As of yesterday (15th November) exactly 8 months passed since the start of the SPATR-Oculus war. To celebrate this occasion, three of my opponents from Oculus were featured on yesterday's "Top 7 Day Smallest Nation Gains" list (on 2nd, 3rd and 4th position):

 

Quote

Top 7 Day Smallest Nation Gains

1. -35,860 Strength Change - DEATHSTALKER of DEATHSTALKER - Maroon Team
2. -12,063 Strength Change - Lelouche9807 of BrittaniaXV - Green Team
3. -11,697 Strength Change - Itzcoliuhqui of Firelands - Red Team
4. -11,637 Strength Change - ionis of Aracour - Orange Team
5. -11,611 Strength Change - davemcc of Zoeville - Blue Team

 

Many of my opponents were featured on this list over the years, but I think it is first time when three nations at war with me appeared on this list at the same time.

 

On 11/7/2016 at 2:32 AM, Haflinger said:

Yeah I think they've been pretty clear that they're waiting until you actually sue for peace.

 

Only IRON official has spoken in this regard. But it seems other alliances assembled in Oculus Coalition have similar stance.

 

I think it is not very relevant who will be the first to extend a peace offer.

 

And, for the record, SPATR and MONGOLS are not demanding that Oculus Coalition asks for peace. Any such demand would be unenforceable anyway.

 

BTW, strictly speaking one government official from Oculus alliance asked for peace. It was official from The Dark Templar. However, they only asked for peace for one of their members (Nisky), so it is not relevant for the war as whole.

 

On 11/13/2016 at 6:55 PM, Blackatron said:

Bones is gone, hasn't everybody had enough now?

 

It seems that Oculus hasn't had enough of this war.

 

There is next to no advantage for Oculus to keep grinding down SPATR Coalition. At this point SPATR-Kaskus-NEW-TIR Sphere has effectively no external treaties. So grinding this Sphere down is like grinding down WTF or GPA.

 

That being said, Oculus has so huge statistical advantage, that it is not a big problem for them to continue this war for a long time. If we take into consideration individual nations, then some of them have taken noticeable loses, e.g Tundra Mountain (GLoF) went from 10k tech and 9bil war chest to 5k tech and 4.7bil war chest (before rebuilding) as the result of several wars against SPATR Coalition. However, if we take into consideration the whole coalition, their loses are only small percentage of their overall strength.

 

They also have vast aid capacity, which is very important. For example iSocialism (IRON) had 680mil war chest in April. Right now they are broke (since a few months). Another example is Niberia (IRON) which had 530mil in August and now they are broke as well. There are other nations in similar situation. It looks good for SPATR Coalition on paper, but the problem is Oculus just sends an endless stream of war aid to their members who don't have war chest. So the fact that some of their members have lost their war chests and are now broke doesn't really matter.

 

Even a relatively small alliance, like Sengoku, was able to provide a considerable amounts of aid. Prior to their disbandment, majority of Sengoku members below 70k NS were broke or very close. As far as I remember, Sengoku top tier was capable of sending large amounts of aid to their middle and lower tier.

Edited November 16, 2016 by murtibing

[Blackatron]

Well at least Deathstalker's great infra sell of is now immortalised on the OWF.

 

Good luck with the pink senate election I suppose @murtibing.

[Fermion]

On 11/16/2016 at 10:00 PM, murtibing said:

As of yesterday (15th November) exactly 8 months passed since the start of the SPATR-Oculus war. To celebrate this occasion, three of my opponents from Oculus were featured on yesterday's "Top 7 Day Smallest Nation Gains" list (on 2nd, 3rd and 4th position):

 

 

Many of my opponents were featured on this list over the years, but I think it is first time when three nations at war with me appeared on this list at the same time.

 

 

Only IRON official has spoken in this regard. But it seems other alliances assembled in Oculus Coalition have similar stance.

 

I think it is not very relevant who will be the first to extend a peace offer.

 

And, for the record, SPATR and MONGOLS are not demanding that Oculus Coalition asks for peace. Any such demand would be unenforceable anyway.

 

BTW, strictly speaking one government official from Oculus alliance asked for peace. It was official from The Dark Templar. However, they only asked for peace for one of their members (Nisky), so it is not relevant for the war as whole.

 

 

It seems that Oculus hasn't had enough of this war.

 

There is next to no advantage for Oculus to keep grinding down SPATR Coalition. At this point SPATR-Kaskus-NEW-TIR Sphere has effectively no external treaties. So grinding this Sphere down is like grinding down WTF or GPA.

 

That being said, Oculus has so huge statistical advantage, that it is not a big problem for them to continue this war for a long time. If we take into consideration individual nations, then some of them have taken noticeable loses, e.g Tundra Mountain (GLoF) went from 10k tech and 9bil war chest to 5k tech and 4.7bil war chest (before rebuilding) as the result of several wars against SPATR Coalition. However, if we take into consideration the whole coalition, their loses are only small percentage of their overall strength.

 

They also have vast aid capacity, which is very important. For example iSocialism (IRON) had 680mil war chest in April. Right now they are broke (since a few months). Another example is Niberia (IRON) which had 530mil in August and now they are broke as well. There are other nations in similar situation. It looks good for SPATR Coalition on paper, but the problem is Oculus just sends an endless stream of war aid to their members who don't have war chest. So the fact that some of their members have lost their war chests and are now broke doesn't really matter.

 

Even a relatively small alliance, like Sengoku, was able to provide a considerable amounts of aid. Prior to their disbandment, majority of Sengoku members below 70k NS were broke or very close. As far as I remember, Sengoku top tier was capable of sending large amounts of aid to their middle and lower tier.

eh, boring

 

Your alliances have been reduced to ashes, your leaders and members demoralised and going inactive and still, you cling onto your ego and refuse to just surrender as any losing side would. You expect that Oculus will ask for peace like a losing party even though even though it's your alliance that started the war and lost. What's in there for us to ask for peace? The most we can say is that we're tired of this drag war where 14 billion warchest enemies sit in the !@#$ tier and attack newbies. Just admit the fact that you were defeated and move on. If not, atleast know that you can't expect and there will be no peace offer from Oculus.

Edited November 18, 2016 by Fermion