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As of The posting of this message, the NDO will no longer tolerate alliances going to war with others without posting a declaration of war. This policy will become active effective immediately.

As of today, any alliance attacking any other alliance without posting a declaration of war will be treated as raiders, and lose the privilege of this community's unspoken rules. Any alliance failing to post their declarations will be subject to retaliation from the NDO at any time throughout that war. The alliance will also be subject to getting declared on at any time after their war, without any grace period for rebuild. Finally, blockades and dirty spy ops will be fair game for the NDO at any point, should we decide to use our CB.

We hope alliances will think twice in the future before going to war against others without posting a declaration of war.
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So, the question is, who has the chutzpah to dare stand against the All powerful NDO and Mighty TDO and not declare their wars?  LOL  This decree and the TDO announcement are just excuses to justify foul play.  There is no real reason to strong arm alliances in this way.  If you attack any alliance based on this decree or the announcement from TDO, I hope every alliance and nation rises up and make examples of how giants fall.  I enjoy dow's and agree they have a place in our world, but you gonna try to destroy war torn alliances if they don't post one?  For real?  Wow.  LOL

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Couldn't the same be said for alliances merging without an announcement?

 

Haven't seen any mergers lately.  If you're referring to the KrAbZ people on the NDO AA, they came over temporarily for the war with Eurasia as, otherwise, we would have been too badly outnumbered.  That isn't a merger.  Of course, we were also expecting Eurasia to fight back much harder than they did.  A lot of them didn't have the kind of warchests we expected for an alliance nearly a month out of war, and a lot of the ones who did have money simply turtled.

 

So, the question is, who has the chutzpah to dare stand against the All powerful NDO and Mighty TDO and not declare their wars?  LOL  This decree and the TDO announcement are just excuses to justify foul play.  There is no real reason to strong arm alliances in this way.  If you attack any alliance based on this decree or the announcement from TDO, I hope every alliance and nation rises up and make examples of how giants fall.  I enjoy dow's and agree they have a place in our world, but you gonna try to destroy war torn alliances if they don't post one?  For real?  Wow.  LOL

 

Neither NDO nor TDO are all-powerful.  And what we are doing is not "justifying foul play".  We are addressing foul play.  There's foul play going around in that alliances are running attacks without DoW's and we're saying that if you're going to rogue you'll be treated as rogues.  And we are not going to "destroy war torn alliances".  Obviously, the defending alliance attacked by a rogue will be given full respect as the duty to post a DoW didn't rest with them to begin with.  We're not saying we're going to automatically attack if an alliance engages in rogue warfare, either.  What we are saying is that rogue alliances who don't respect the community's established practices aren't going to be given the benefits of the community's established practices.  One application could mean that, if a six-man alliance led by a complete toolbox were to roll someone else without a DoW, we would consider them still fair game if we're planning to attack and need to throw some NS meat on top of an otherwise unfair declare.  The consequences for an alliance like that could be crippling, but fortunately this is easily preventable by taking two minutes to post a DoW.

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So let me get this straight NDO makes an announcement saying they will declare war on any alliance going to war without posting a proper declaration of war AND lets nations from another alliance hide under their AA to fight an alliance (doesn't matter that it is Eurasia, I'm having fun)....seems a little hypocritcal. NDO should declare war on the krabz nations hiding under their skits attacking without a declaration of war.

 

Otherwise this "decree" is pointless and hypocritical, to say the least.

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So let me get this straight NDO makes an announcement saying they will declare war on any alliance going to war without posting a proper declaration of war AND lets nations from another alliance hide under their AA to fight an alliance (doesn't matter that it is Eurasia, I'm having fun)....seems a little hypocritcal. NDO should declare war on the krabz nations hiding under their skits attacking without a declaration of war.
 
Otherwise this "decree" is pointless and hypocritical, to say the least.


You learn to get used to people being hypocrites on TE. They try and act all high and mighty while pulling dirty tactics.
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So let me get this straight NDO makes an announcement saying they will declare war on any alliance going to war without posting a proper declaration of war AND lets nations from another alliance hide under their AA to fight an alliance (doesn't matter that it is Eurasia, I'm having fun)....seems a little hypocritcal. NDO should declare war on the krabz nations hiding under their skits attacking without a declaration of war.

 

Otherwise this "decree" is pointless and hypocritical, to say the least.

The announcment says that NDO won't recognize undeclared war, it does not say that they will declare on alliances going to war without a DoW, and it makes sense, if you don't declare a war, your war shouldn't be recognized.

 

We are not hiding under NDO Flag, Some nations that were ready to fight joined NDO to even the numbers, back when we thought an alliance with 30 days of peace will give us a very difficult fight, especially after we watched you guys in round 36 we had much higher expectations.

 

I would welcome another war with NDO i have as much fun fighting them as i do fighting along side them, and we will most definitely fight again.

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So let me get this straight NDO makes an announcement saying they will declare war on any alliance going to war without posting a proper declaration of war AND lets nations from another alliance hide under their AA to fight an alliance (doesn't matter that it is Eurasia, I'm having fun)....seems a little hypocritcal. NDO should declare war on the krabz nations hiding under their skits attacking without a declaration of war.

 

Otherwise this "decree" is pointless and hypocritical, to say the least.

 these KrAbZ nations are temporary members of NDO as our government sees it.  they are fighting alongside us, not "hiding under our skirts".  nations switching AA's isn't anything new and has always been an acceptable practice.  and, as Robert Baratheon mentioned, NDO expected an uphill battle that would be plain unwinnable without these temps.  we overestimated Eurasia - based on Eurasia's previous strong performances and their long time out of war to build warchests and military strength, and prepared accordingly.  this isn't the first time nations have temporarily joined another AA to even the odds.  and what was the alternative?  a KrAbZ-NDO joint declaration on Eurasia?  with the handful of KrAbZ it should have been a fair fight - but the entirety of NDO and KrAbZ hitting Eurasia would have been a downdeclare of major proportions and we do not roll that way.

 

your assertion that this degree is "pointless and hypocritical".  it seems you don't understand the actual meaning of the decree.  we - and not just NDO, but TDO and other alliances - have always posted DoW's.  it is part of the community spirit of the game.  aside from legitimizing the war and not having it be some kind of alliance-crushing tech/XP raid, a DoW shows respect to the AA you're declaring on and allows stats to be compared.  because we do our due diligence and formally post a DoW, you can't call us hypocrites for acting exactly as we're expecting others to.

 

furthermore EddyH you just epitomized your own accusation.  you're in this thread, acting like you're so high and mighty - yet your alliance made an undeclared war?  you have absolutely no room to claim the moral high ground on this issue when you pull bullshit like that.

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Is there really a moral high or low ground for declaring or not declaring a war within the forum??  Should alliances declare?  Yes, I for one would love to see dow's, and the stats, and the creativity of those who post them well.  I am in an alliance that did not declare its last war within the forum just prior to the TDO announcement and NDO decree.  I get it.  Dow's are great for planet Steve.  What happened to diplomacy?  What happened to the "friendly reminder" to lets not forget to post our DOW's?  What happened to having respect for the other Alliances?   Nope.  Just do what we say or we might attack your alliance because your 7 day war was a raid?!?  Stop it.  Please.  AND, you would willfully break all the other gentleman's agreements in order to correct the least of all the agreements??  TDO & NDO are doing this all wrong.  The Misfits have spoken.  You other alliances feel this is okay?  Really?  Your silence gives your approval.

 

 

Edited to say this:  You are using a "last resort, when everything else has failed" tactic to curb behavior as a first option.  I agree with posting dow's being a good thing.  It sucks that you cannot see how TDO & NDO have announced and decreed in error.

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these KrAbZ nations are temporary members of NDO as our government sees it.  they are fighting alongside us, not "hiding under our skirts".  nations switching AA's isn't anything new and has always been an acceptable practice.  and, as Robert Baratheon mentioned, NDO expected an uphill battle that would be plain unwinnable without these temps.  we overestimated Eurasia - based on Eurasia's previous strong performances and their long time out of war to build warchests and military strength, and prepared accordingly.  this isn't the first time nations have temporarily joined another AA to even the odds.  and what was the alternative?  a KrAbZ-NDO joint declaration on Eurasia?  with the handful of KrAbZ it should have been a fair fight - but the entirety of NDO and KrAbZ hitting Eurasia would have been a downdeclare of major proportions and we do not roll that way.
 
your assertion that this degree is "pointless and hypocritical".  it seems you don't understand the actual meaning of the decree.  we - and not just NDO, but TDO and other alliances - have always posted DoW's.  it is part of the community spirit of the game.  aside from legitimizing the war and not having it be some kind of alliance-crushing tech/XP raid, a DoW shows respect to the AA you're declaring on and allows stats to be compared.  because we do our due diligence and formally post a DoW, you can't call us hypocrites for acting exactly as we're expecting others to.
 
furthermore EddyH you just epitomized your own accusation.  you're in this thread, acting like you're so high and mighty - yet your alliance made an undeclared war?  you have absolutely no room to claim the moral high ground on this issue when you pull !@#$%^&* like that.


We just got lazy and forgot about a DoW. It's the first time it's ever happened. My point is that krabz wasn't included in your DoW but you are saying it as if they were. That just screams out that false stats were provided which is worse than not posting at all?

I don't like to get involved with politics these days, but it seems to me like TDO posted their announcement simply out of their dislike for kaboom. So that get my senses tingling, I'm not sure the same can be said for NDO.
I'm just going to leave this conversation, I've never had any problems with you nick and I don't intend to create any. Edited by EddyH
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We just got lazy and forgot about a DoW. It's the first time it's ever happened. My point is that krabz wasn't included in your DoW but you are saying it as if they were. That just screams out that false stats were provided which is worse than not posting at all?

I don't like to get involved with politics these days, but it seems to me like TDO posted their announcement simply out of their dislike for kaboom. So that get my senses tingling, I'm not sure the same can be said for NDO.
I'm just going to leave this conversation, I've never had any problems with you nick and I don't intend to create any.


While it is true that we hold Kaboom in the lowest regard, that is not why we adopted this policy. All at the same time, Misfits, Roman Empire and War Doves launched unannounced wars.
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While it is true that we hold Kaboom in the lowest regard, that is not why we adopted this policy. All at the same time, Misfits, Roman Empire and War Doves launched unannounced wars.

 

There are 22 alliances currently on planet steve.  You have created a policy for 22 alliances because you have an issue with three? An issue that has not really been a major issue previously?  Okay.  No diplomacy for Kaboom - Y'all got enmity.  What about Roman Empire or War Doves?  Did you shoot them a friendly PM or anything? It just seems like this is an easy way to raid war torn nations you don't like or that forget to post a dow on your time table.  I have said everything I can about it.  I will leave it alone  Happy wars to all :)

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We just got lazy and forgot about a DoW. It's the first time it's ever happened. My point is that krabz wasn't included in your DoW but you are saying it as if they were. That just screams out that false stats were provided which is worse than not posting at all?


What??
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While it is true that we hold Kaboom in the lowest regard, that is not why we adopted this policy. All at the same time, Misfits, Roman Empire and War Doves launched unannounced wars.

 

I don't know about Misfits but I do know that NloN actually declared on the Romans without a DoW not the other way around and War Doves were on a joint war with OP. We assumed they were going to post a DoW and by the time we realised there wasn't one we were already discussing peace with Krabz because they weren't ready to fight at the present time so a DoW then would have been pointless. 

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Krabz nations joined NDO to balance the field? But the DoW was NDO vs Eurasia. Not NDO 'and' Krabz

 

that's because that would be an inaccurate statement to make.  most of KrAbZ are still on their own AA and were not involved at all.  and no, EddyH, this isn't a move specifically targeting Misfits.  there are three other alliances who've done this too and they know who they are.

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I don't know about Misfits but I do know that NloN actually declared on the Romans without a DoW not the other way around and War Doves were on a joint war with OP. We assumed they were going to post a DoW and by the time we realised there wasn't one we were already discussing peace with Krabz because they weren't ready to fight at the present time so a DoW then would have been pointless. 

 

My apologies to Roman Empire. Though, it does highlight that there would have been no confusion on my part if NLoN had bothered with a declaration.

 

Out of interest, what happened to the joint war?

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I don't know about Misfits but I do know that NloN actually declared on the Romans without a DoW not the other way around and War Doves were on a joint war with OP. We assumed they were going to post a DoW and by the time we realised there wasn't one we were already discussing peace with Krabz because they weren't ready to fight at the present time so a DoW then would have been pointless. 

True, and I thank you for that.

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NDO HAS HER PRIDE - Oh Really?

 

The Five top Krabz  (average strength 21,800) have scuttled back to their own alliance after declaring 16 wars against another alliances opponents.

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NDO HAS HER PRIDE - Oh Really?

 

The Five top Krabz  (average strength 21,800) have scuttled back to their own alliance after declaring 16 wars against another alliances opponents.

So? the other 15 NDO fought very well too, and we weren't remaining there after the fight.

If Eurasia has a problem with this, let them contact me and we'll work it out.

Caladin knows i'm a big fan of Eurasia, and that is the top reason why i wanted to fight them.

other than that, this is none of your business. 

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It is my business. This IMPERIAL DECREE is specifically aimed at misfits. Had you been here longer you would know this.

 

I think you are being particularly hypocritical having recently been involved clandestinely in such a one-sided war.

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It is my business. This IMPERIAL DECREE is specifically aimed at misfits. Had you been here longer you would know this.

 

I think you are being particularly hypocritical having recently been involved clandestinely in such a one-sided war.

I have been involved in an even fair war. fighting under NDO flags doesn't require me to post a DoW, and Eurasia did not mind.

 

It is not only aimed at the misfits, it is aimed at TE, writing a DoW doesn't require much and shows respect to the people you are fighting, plus shows the stats.

You don't even have to always do the stats, all you have to do is write we hereby declare war....so it's not much to ask.

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It is my business. This IMPERIAL DECREE is specifically aimed at misfits. Had you been here longer you would know this.


This is the most Misfits thought process ever. The sun revolves around them.

The TDO policy is not specifically aimed at anyone, but comes about as the culmination of growing frustration with undeclared wars the past couple of rounds. I assume the supporting NDO policy was also not directed at Misfits.
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I didn't suggest your policy was directed toward us. My suggestion was that  (particularly some members of) NDO have taken the opportunity to further ingratiate themselves with the biggest bully while delighting in trash-talking misfits.

 

Thats why you guys want us to post declarations. You feel the need to bully people.

 

I didn't see you posting much after your 5 Dark Order members were mysteriously destroyed while fighting Misfits which had been rouged and then warred with the 7-man "Light Order."

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