Limitless Nexus Announcement

[Sephiroth]

Clearly the main alliances on brown don't want you there. It's pretty obvious to everyone else. Why bother them with this junk at all?

I was invited and encouraged to join Brown, along with others in my trade circle and their alliance, all are still on Brown. The reason III Percent fears me getting a seat is I have a lot of friends on Brown. Hopefully SNX realizes III Percent doesn't care about them and leaves BC, along with other alliances in BC who don't want to be associated with this. Also if I abandon the sphere, it won't be just me who loses a $50m Wonder, but many of my friends on Brown as well.

 

Why should I run away when I'm winning?

Edited May 31, 2015 by Methrage

[kingzog]

Somebody missed my Master's Class on 'Winning a Senate Seat When the Sphere is Hostile Toward You'.

[The Zigur]

It doesn't seem like III% is the same alliance that defied our Will in SNX. Maybe Freelancer is no longer in charge, but I would not have expected him to approve of the use of sanctions against someone running for senate.

I guess it just goes to show that every anarchist is a baffled dictator, but I respect Methrage's overt ambition to lead a Senate faction on brown and carve out his own "libertarian empire."

As to the rest of the peanut gallery, I guess I am just tired of the same people complaining about boredom... and then turning around and doing the safe thing. Publicly tearing down those with raw ambition, operating on pure willpower, is not the hard position to take.

Edited May 31, 2015 by Tywin Lannister

[Lady Dakota]

Hopefully SNX realizes III Percent doesn't care about them and leaves BC, along with other alliances in BC who don't want to be associated with this.

Again, stop putting words in other Alliances' mouths. This is exactly why no one wants to deal with you.

[Sephiroth]

It's cute Lady Dakota is in peace mode already, despite knowing I'll be in nuclear anarchy for a while. I guess it goes without saying there is a big target on her back.

[Lady Dakota]

That was actually a phone accident. Thank my son for that one. I was going to declare on you. :(

[Sephiroth]

That was actually a phone accident. Thank my son for that one. I was going to declare on you. :(

Because going to Edit Nation and Change War Mode preferences is so similar to going to someone's nation and hitting Declare War. Right.

[Lady Dakota]

I was in the middle of editing my defcon and had to answer the door. So yeah, toddler + phone = peacemode. I'm not afraid of you. I would be more than happy to come out now and declare, but damn that 5 day wait.

[Sephiroth]

I was in the middle of editing my defcon and had to answer the door. So yeah, toddler + phone = peacemode. I'm not afraid of you. I would be more than happy to come out now and declare, but damn that 5 day wait.

Please do in 5 days, unless of course you have new excuses then. I knew III% were itching for a reason to get involved in the Mi Inc War and very disappointed SNX didn't give them their excuse, guess your alliance and Atlas both decided to attack whoever they wanted as it was ending regardless.

 

You know I don't care about my stats and care about the Senate seat much more. I think you do care about your other stats a lot, maybe even more than your Senate Seat. So I'll save some for you if you're willing to fight outside the senate as well and haven't created an excuse for why you can't by then. Although the target on you remains. You can't escape Karma by hopping in peace mode as you turn the knife on someone.

Edited May 31, 2015 by Methrage

[James Spanier]

So, as Methrage ignored my question regarding what alliances he's freeing from tyranny, I decided to actually find the oppressed brown nations, here are my results:
 
Brown consists of 353 nations, the smallest sphere.
 
The BC alliances represent 202 nations or about 57% of Brown.
 
That leaves 151 nations unrepresented by BC alliances.
 
Of that 151, there are eight alliances I'd call "directly represented" by Methrage:
14 are on Limitless Nexus, Methrage's alliance.
17 on LSF, and clear voters for Methrage.
8 on aNiMaLz, who LM supports diplomatically.

6 on CPCN, a protectorate of NEW with indirect connections to LM.

3 on Socialist Workers Front, same as LSF.

1 on Monsters Inc, of whom LM are benefactors.

1 on Independent, which is only xoindotnler

1 on Section 7, same situation as Independent

 

That leaves exactly 98 nations on other AA's that are not directly represented by either side. Let's look at where those are, shall we?

 

20 Brown nations on TOLD, a DK protectorate unlikely to support Methrage.

7 on WTF, who I imagine doesn't do color politicking on brown.

6 are on TSK, likely remnants of ASI who recently folded into TSK.

3 on TSO who are unlikely to support Methrage.

3 on Armpit Platoon, who recently fought a war with aNiMaLz and is again unlikely to support Methrage.

2 on ODN, blocmate with GATO

2 on International, I don't know where they stand honestly.

1 on R&R, an applicant at that.

1 on VE, probably not a supporter of Methrage.

1 on MI6, not sure where they stand, probably wherever someone doesn't immediately say something negative to them.

1 on Screaming Red Asses who are closer physically due to Kaskus, but their one Brown member hasn't voted.

1 on MHA who is an applicant.

1 on TPF, perhaps supporters of Methrage, will need clarification.

1 on Doom Kingdom, obviously not supporters of Methrage.

1 on Last Call, last I checked not supporters of Methrage.

1 on TIO, not sure, maybe they'll clarify.

1 on SUN, unlikely supporters of Methrage.

1 on TDO, see WTF

1 on LoSS, not sure honestly.

1 on GDA, don't even know them really.

1 on TIA, if you haven't heard of them, well it's okay, neither have I.

 

There is 57 of the 98 missing Brown nations. What of the last 41 you ask?

 

Well, I did not include two alliances with a combined 3 Brown nations. Those are New Polar Order and Invicta. I did this because Tywin Lannister and the rebel respectively. They fully support Methrage on their own accord, without their alliances approval. That brings Methrage to about 39 that I know he has in the bag. That's  a mere 11% of Brown, whom moved there after the BC alliances were established on Brown.

 

Coincidentally, there are also 39, or another 11% of Brown, after TIA that I did not find, either their alliances were too small for me to keep digging or they are actually on None.

 

Now anyone who was wondering what I was has an answer: Methrage is waging a campaign of liberation for a maximum of ~23% of there sphere, but most likely less. And is doing so with alliances that went there because they were run out of other color spheres, or just to support Methrage because he asked them to. We already knew this, but now we get some cool numbers to look at with it.

[Sephiroth]

James Spanier posts a bunch of irrelevant stats. They attacked us out of nowhere and there is now war, despite my attempts to be friendly with them up until they attacked. They likely thought we were to friendly with Monsters Inc and decided to attack before I got the senate to make sure I didn't help Monsters Inc with it.

 

Their paranoia of us helping Monster Inc who they wanted to destroy so badly is the only reason I can think of, even though I planned not to sanction anyone ever; unless another alliance used it against me in the way they have.

Edited May 31, 2015 by Methrage

[James Spanier]

James Spanier posts a bunch of irrelevant stats. They attacked us out of nowhere and there is now war, despite my attempts to be friendly with them up until they attacked. They likely thought we were to friendly with Monsters Inc and decided to attack before I got the senate to make sure I didn't help Monsters Inc with it.

 

Their paranoia of us helping Monster Inc who they wanted to destroy so badly is the only reason I can think of, even though I planned not to sanction anyone ever; unless another alliance used it against me in the way they have.

 

I wouldn't call them irrelevant, I'm discovering the nations and alliances who support your bid of freedom on Brown. You called it a war over the "liberty and stability of Brown" after all. Really you should thank me, I compiled a list of alliances with brown members you can go and solicit to vote for your cause, assuming they haven't already voted for your competition.

[Sephiroth]

 

I wouldn't call them irrelevant, I'm discovering the nations and alliances who support your bid of freedom on Brown. You called it a war over the "liberty and stability of Brown" after all. Really you should thank me, I compiled a list of alliances with brown members you can go and solicit to votes for your cause, assuming they haven't already voted for your competition.

If you were posting them to be helpful, thank you. I'll see if they can be put to use. I'm just not in the best of moods right now, considering I've been friendly with this alliance up until they attacked. Didn't expect they were our enemy until they were actually attacking, I shouldn't of seen them as friends as long as I did and realized to them I was a complete enemy as soon as it looked like I would win a seat in the election.

Edited May 31, 2015 by Methrage

[James Spanier]

If you were posting them to be helpful, thank you. I'll see if they can be put to use. I'm just not in the best of moods right now, considering I've been friendly with this alliance up until they attacked. Didn't expect they were our enemy until they were actually attacking, I shouldn't of seen them as friends as long as I did and realized to them I was a complete enemy as soon as it looked like I would win a seat in the election.

 

Technically to be helpful, yes, though I did do it with a negative spin in your direction because you forced me to answer my own question (usually something done to avoid actually facing something). You were indeed sanctioned and attacked first, so really I should have been more informational and less hostile (and sarcastic) towards you especially, regardless of my opinion of you or your cause. So for that I will apologize, it conflicts with my recent drive to promote intelligent outlooks by getting the facts straight.

[Sigrun Vapneir]

Everyone is free to run. However when you started putting words in other alliances' mouths and going off on temper tantrums, well that obviously has to end. I'm not opposed to a non BC member winning. Sure it would be annoying, but not the end of the world. I am however opposed to a Senator who's a fanatical lunatic.

 

Then you should remove yourself from the senate immediately.

Edited May 31, 2015 by Sigrun Vapneir

[Sephiroth]

 

Technically to be helpful, yes, though I did do it with a negative spin in your direction because you forced me to answer my own question (usually something done to avoid actually facing something). You were indeed sanctioned and attacked first, so really I should have been more informational and less hostile (and sarcastic) towards you especially, regardless of my opinion of you or your cause. So for that I will apologize, it conflicts with my recent drive to promote intelligent outlooks by getting the facts straight.

Tywin made an excellent post and I didn't respond to his, because I didn't disagree with any of it. Although I appreciate his words and support. He is a real friend where it doesn't matter where any of us are in regards to the political situations, neither would betray the other to achieve ours.

 

Then there are the fake friends, who are only a friend for as long as it suits a political agenda. Those who would betray you at the drop of a hat if the political environment isn't as favorable to them being your friend. Sometimes it can be hard to distinguish the fake friends from the real ones until they're suddenly your complete enemy. These are the kind of betrayals which can make one want to stop playing, but the only reason to continue is make sure the enemy receives their punishment. I thought we could cooperate, but now they want full war.

 

So I have to much on mind to respond to every post and mostly focused on the ones which need disputing. I do appreciate your apology and being upfront on what you were doing. Looking through lists isn't what I want to be focusing and thinking about right now. I'm not happy with the direction this war will have to take. I've stuck around this long since I figured it would be a waste to let a nation full of wonders delete when it could be used to help a lot of people, who just a slot of aid is a big deal. Times like these make me wonder if I made the wrong decision by staying to help people, but its in situations like these I'm also reminded of my real friends and that gives me hope.

Edited May 31, 2015 by Methrage

[saxasm]

Since this is now a stats thread, here's some better stats on Brown AAs:
[spoiler]

global alliance and treaty organization
67
supernova x
64
atlas
35
none
29
iii percent
21
the order of liberty and defence
20
libertarian socialist federation
17
limitless nexus
14
the sandstorm confederacy
11
animalz
8
world task force
7
cpcn
6
the seven kingdoms
6
armpit platoon
3
socialist workers front
3
the sovereign order
3
confederatio aesir
2
conservative politically allied countries
2
invicta
2
orange defense network
2
the international
2
brown trade partner
1
cn staff
1
cobra
1
doom kingdom
1
global democratic alliance
1
independent
1
last call
1
loss
1
mi6
1
monsters inc
1
mostly harmless alliance
1
new polar order
1
non grata
1
rnr
1
rouge legion etrangere ane
1
scared hitless isotopes
1
screaming red asses
1
section 7
1
state of unified nations
1
the aryan alliance
1
the democratic order
1
the imperial ascendancy
1
the imperial order
1
the phoenix federation
1
viridian entente
1

[/spoiler]

And, for the interested, some stats on what spheres these brown nations used to be on. Of 349 nations on Brown, 305 existed five weeks ago. These nations were, at the time, on the following spheres:


Of the 349 nations on brown, 268 existed ten weeks ago. These nations were, at the time, on the following spheres:


The nations who are on brown now and were on brown at this time are currently in the following AAs:
[spoiler]

global alliance and treaty organization
63
supernova x
42
atlas
24
iii percent
17
the order of liberty and defence
12
none
6
the sandstorm confederacy
5
world task force
3
conservative politically allied countries
2
orange defense network
2
the international
2
the seven kingdoms
2
brown trade partner
1
global democratic alliance
1
invicta
1
loss
1
mi6
1
new polar order
1
non grata
1
rouge legion etrangere ane
1
scared hitless isotopes
1
screaming red asses
1
the imperial ascendancy
1
the imperial order
1
the phoenix federation
1
the sovereign order
1
viridian entente
1

[/spoiler]

Of the 349 nations on brown, 250 existed twenty weeks ago. These nations were, at the time, on the following spheres:


These nations, who were on brown twenty weeks ago and are currently on brown, are currently in the following AAs:
[spoiler]

global alliance and treaty organization
60
atlas
20
iii percent
18
supernova x
7
none
5
the sandstorm confederacy
5
world task force
3
conservative politically allied countries
2
the international
2
animalz
1
brown trade partner
1
invicta
1
mi6
1
non grata
1
rouge legion etrangere ane
1
scared hitless isotopes
1
screaming red asses
1
the phoenix federation
1
the seven kingdoms
1
the sovereign order
1
viridian entente
1

[/spoiler] Edited May 31, 2015 by saxasm

[Sir Kiloist]

Less stats more war?

[LittleRena]

Who is crazy enough to willingly give Methrage a senate seat, that is the real question here!

[keeology]

So, as Methrage ignored my question regarding what alliances he's freeing from tyranny, I decided to actually find the oppressed brown nations, here are my results:
 
Brown consists of 353 nations, the smallest sphere.
 
The BC alliances represent 202 nations or about 57% of Brown.
 
That leaves 151 nations unrepresented by BC alliances.
 
Of that 151, there are eight alliances I'd call "directly represented" by Methrage:
14 are on Limitless Nexus, Methrage's alliance.
17 on LSF, and clear voters for Methrage.
8 on aNiMaLz, who LM supports diplomatically.
6 on CPCN, a protectorate of NEW with indirect connections to LM.
3 on Socialist Workers Front, same as LSF.
1 on Monsters Inc, of whom LM are benefactors.
1 on Independent, which is only 

xoindotnler

1 on Section 7, same situation as Independent
 
That leaves exactly 98 nations on other AA's that are not directly represented by either side. Let's look at where those are, shall we?
 
20 Brown nations on TOLD, a DK protectorate unlikely to support Methrage.
7 on WTF, who I imagine doesn't do color politicking on brown.
6 are on TSK, likely remnants of ASI who recently folded into TSK.
3 on TSO who are unlikely to support Methrage.
3 on Armpit Platoon, who recently fought a war with aNiMaLz and is again unlikely to support Methrage.
2 on ODN, blocmate with GATO
2 on International, I don't know where they stand honestly.
1 on R&R, an applicant at that.
1 on VE, probably not a supporter of Methrage.
1 on MI6, not sure where they stand, probably wherever someone doesn't immediately say something negative to them.
1 on Screaming Red Asses who are closer physically due to Kaskus, but their one Brown member hasn't voted.
1 on MHA who is an applicant.
1 on TPF, perhaps supporters of Methrage, will need clarification.
1 on Doom Kingdom, obviously not supporters of Methrage.
1 on Last Call, last I checked not supporters of Methrage.
1 on TIO, not sure, maybe they'll clarify.
1 on SUN, unlikely supporters of Methrage.
1 on TDO, see WTF
1 on LoSS, not sure honestly.
1 on GDA, don't even know them really.
1 on TIA, if you haven't heard of them, well it's okay, neither have I.
 
There is 57 of the 98 missing Brown nations. What of the last 41 you ask?
 
Well, I did not include two alliances with a combined 3 Brown nations. Those are New Polar Order and Invicta. I did this because Tywin Lannister and the rebel respectively. They fully support Methrage on their own accord, without their alliances approval. That brings Methrage to about 39 that I know he has in the bag. That's  a mere 11% of Brown, whom moved there after the BC alliances were established on Brown.
 
Coincidentally, there are also 39, or another 11% of Brown, after TIA that I did not find, either their alliances were too small for me to keep digging or they are actually on None.
 
Now anyone who was wondering what I was has an answer: Methrage is waging a campaign of liberation for a maximum of ~23% of there sphere, but most likely less. And is doing so with alliances that went there because they were run out of other color spheres, or just to support Methrage because he asked them to. We already knew this, but now we get some cool numbers to look at with it.

Interesting stats.

[Freelancer]

What part of “we will preserve its continuity” did you not understand?

Members of my alliance including LD herself gave you a road map how to approach this,
rigging an election is not “earning a seat” in our eyes,  you had to know this was coming.
Let me guess you didn’t think we’d be the ones who would do it? I’ll fill you in on a little secret, we have sworn on the altar of god to protect and preserve the living document known as The Bruin Concinnity or die doing so.

Enjoy your time with Milo

Edited May 31, 2015 by Freelancer

[Sigrun Vapneir]

CA moved to Brown because Brown promotes itself as very much what we are looking for.

 

A place where a small AA that sometimes stands up for itself against larger and more connected opponents can live without being sanctioned. Seemed true based on what I could find too. Everyone in BC seems pretty solidly on board with that idea, or at least they did at the time.

 

Methrage was specifically told, by several different people from several different Brown AAs, that there was not a problem with an independent running for that fifth seat.

 

What happened? Governments changed, new people came in, suddenly did think there was a problem. And now... 'lady dakota'  - I do not think you are any lady dear. You sanctioned Methrage simply for having the nerve to run on 'your' color, and then you fled to peace mode so your alliance mates can pay for your treachery while you are safe?

 

It's generally a bad idea to make anything around here personal, but I have to say you have impressed me as a person of extraordinarily poor character.

[xoindotnler]

 

What happened?

Poop sphere.

[the rebel]

Those are New Polar Order and Invicta. I did this because Tywin Lannister and the rebel respectively. They fully support Methrage on their own accord, without their alliances approval.

Why would members of a blue alliance and a red team alliance need approval when voting on a team that doesn't effect either of said alliances?

I've got sanctions dating back to my involvement in the previous global war that remain ignored by the relevant senates and their alliances.

Its funny that I move from gray to brown and vote in its elections and that today my brown sanction finally got lifted.

[James Spanier]

Why would members of a blue alliance and a red team alliance need approval when voting on a team that doesn't effect either of said alliances?

I've got sanctions dating back to my involvement in the previous global war that remain ignored by the relevant senates and their alliances.

Its funny that I move from gray to brown and vote in its elections and that today my brown sanction finally got lifted.

 

I didn't say they (you) needed approval, but if I had to guess neither you nor Tywin explicitly cleared it with your governments either. You both are staunchly voting on your own accords, which was what I was trying to highlight. I was categorizing alliance sanctioned support of Methrage verses non-support, you two (three?) fell into a grey area that got its own category.