Hereno Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 thought: we should have the GM team and the community itself be the same entitydiscussion: i believe this would have the following effects:1. pestering of the GM team (and associated stress) will no longer be a thingwhy? there is no formal 3-member GM team2. issues that the community thinks are important get priority by default3. no more having to bother with fucking elections4. there is a significant dampening effect on bad-but-necessary OOC interactions (related to functioning as a GM)5. all members will have active vote histories on past subjects6. decreased time for issue resolutionwhy? due to lack of fatigue from the lack of stress on certain individuals to take charge in solving community mattersFAQ"but hereno, what if we want simple things done quickly?"take charge: get a few people to agree with you and you can probably be safe knowing that whatever you're doing is going to be fine within just a couple days"this is stupid and you are stupid"i don't like you anywayalso that isn't a question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangeline Anovilis Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 "this is stupid and you are stupid" i don't like you anyway also that isn't a question This is stupid. And that may not be a question, but it's still my opinion on this. This is a splendid way to ensure we'll have drawn-out community debates over every issue. If you'd apply a system like this to the European War, that war would be still unresolved and not getting anywhere, because if it had not been for GM interventions, people would not even give each other a minimum of information, we'd be arguing whether stuff is feasable in the way it was done and space autocannons would still be a thing. Representative democracy is good for the shouting and whining masses of this community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted February 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 This is stupid. And that may not be a question, but it's still my opinion on this. This is a splendid way to ensure we'll have drawn-out community debates over every issue. If you'd apply a system like this to the European War, that war would be still unresolved and not getting anywhere, because if it had not been for GM interventions, people would not even give each other a minimum of information, we'd be arguing whether stuff is feasable in the way it was done and space autocannons would still be a thing. Representative democracy is good for the shouting and whining masses of this community. this community barely exists anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangeline Anovilis Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 So you are handing power over to a barely existing entity? Makes it no less stupid an idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shave N Haircut Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 This is stupid. And that may not be a question, but it's still my opinion on this. This is a splendid way to ensure we'll have drawn-out community debates over every issue. If you'd apply a system like this to the European War, that war would be still unresolved and not getting anywhere, because if it had not been for GM interventions, people would not even give each other a minimum of information, we'd be arguing whether stuff is feasable in the way it was done and space autocannons would still be a thing. Representative democracy is good for the shouting and whining masses of this community. Ditto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEDCJT Posted February 7, 2015 Report Share Posted February 7, 2015 i like this, if only to see eva debunk hereno's ill-conceived idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted February 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 my idea will never be debunked because nobody here can actually get along long enough to actually rpbut they can all agree that the way things are now are way better than hereno's ideamaybe i will be the unifying hatred that will save cnrplmao fuck that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 To be fair I would support this if there were enough of a majority on any side to allow for meaningful RP to occur before OOC bickering over technology began. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangeline Anovilis Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 my idea will never be debunked because nobody here can actually get along long enough to actually rp but they can all agree that the way things are now are way better than hereno's idea maybe i will be the unifying hatred that will save cnrp lmao $%&@ that No you won't be the unifying hatred. To be fair I would support this if there were enough of a majority on any side to allow for meaningful RP to occur before OOC bickering over technology began. There's bickering about not just technology, but just about everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shave N Haircut Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 This would only create mob rule where the most numerous faction would always win disputes because of the weight in votes they can throw around. It will always be split along faction lines and ulterior motives. See: CNRP2 CNRPA's elections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 Go to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shave N Haircut Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 Don't tell me what to do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted February 9, 2015 Report Share Posted February 9, 2015 you should be defending our freedom from Best Korea! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted February 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 This would only create mob rule where the most numerous faction would always win disputes because of the weight in votes they can throw around. It will always be split along faction lines and ulterior motives.See:CNRP2CNRPA's elections. the gm team is a proxy of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shave N Haircut Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 the gm team is a proxy of it Yes, but they at least have the capacity to act fast, and make decisions as an individual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted February 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) Yes, but they at least have the capacity to act fast, and make decisions as an individual. this is basically the cause of 100% of our problems that we havecase and point: you giving france a 3 month long freeze in rp2 Edited February 10, 2015 by Hereno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shave N Haircut Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) this is basically the cause of 100% of our problems that we have case and point: you giving france a 3 month long freeze in rp2 Lol, only in your delusions Hereno. I'm not even the one that authorized that xD Edited February 10, 2015 by Shave N Haircut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted February 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 Lol, only in your delusions Hereno. I'm not even the one that authorized that xD so then you agree with me that it was a mistake made by a 3 person GM team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shave N Haircut Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) so then you agree with me that it was a mistake made by a 3 person GM team? No. I think it was the best decision the GMs could have possibly made and your argument is very airy and lacks substance. And your wild jumps to conclusions are rather amusing. Edited February 10, 2015 by Shave N Haircut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted February 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 No. I think it was the best decision the GMs could have possibly made and your argument is very airy and lacks substance. And your wild jumps to conclusions are rather amusing. so then you're glad that the other two GMs approved a 3-month freeze for you, but there's nothing wrong with the 3 GM systemlmaothere is no way the community would have allowed something like that, and the fact that not being able to push things through the GM team so quickly bothers you so much just serves to support my caseif it isn't worth bothering the community about, it isn't something that requires a rulingsimple, easy, and if you abuse it, nobody will help you to get rulings on your rp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shave N Haircut Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) You're such an adorable pile of fallacy. ^.^ Imma break this down by each hilarious little part. so then you're glad that the other two GMs approved a 3-month freeze for you, but and there's nothing wrong with the 3 GM system Fixed that for you. l m a o there is no way the community would have allowed something like that, and the fact that not being able to push things through the GM team so quickly bothers you so much just serves to support my case News Flash: The Community did approve of it. In case you weren't paying attention, there was this huge discussion led by TBM and Zoot about it and the overwelming majority of people threw that down like it was hot. if it isn't worth bothering the community about, it isn't something that requires a ruling That's not true in the least, for obvious reasons. If you can't think of said obvious reasons, look at all the little individual GM rulings that have to be made over a set period. simple, easy, and if you abuse it, nobody will help you to get rulings on your rp That's draconian and stupid. You're basically saying "If no one likes you you can suck eggs about getting a favorable ruling. Even if you're right." Just to clarify: I don't mean to be patronizing. I really don't. I go out of my way to not do such things because I hate it when people do it to me. But Damn do you make it easy. Furthermore, the way you do it only makes me feel justified in doing so. Edited February 10, 2015 by Shave N Haircut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 I'll take 3 people I can kick out if they don't do well over a dictatorship of the masses any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shave N Haircut Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 I'll take 3 people I can kick out if they don't do well over a dictatorship of the masses any day. Thank you for summing it up for me. *Tips imaginary hat* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangeline Anovilis Posted February 10, 2015 Report Share Posted February 10, 2015 I prefer 3 GMs with manageable powers and checks on it, who have power where necessary, while not getting powers where there is no need for it. CNRP2 in my opinion had far too powerful GMs, who could do whatever. For example, wipe the war or rule against inactivity rules. There are to be basic rules that cannot be overturned by the GMs. Constitutionalism is a good thing. Also, nice Nyotalia... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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