alyster Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) I haven't looked yet, how was our counter blitz? It wasn't planned, and it only consisted of the VE members on IRC !@#$%*ing about not having any open slots on MI6. Exactly 30 mins after our DoW was posted I got countered by a coordinated unit. And a stagger was in place. So yeah at least they did well. Haven't had the time to look the entire stats of any of the blitzes: ours or yours. But it was to be expected: your counter and some quality fighting. Edited December 11, 2014 by alyster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabian Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 o/ VE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Just hold the line for 2 weeks, TOP. Just hold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berbers Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Does this mean SRD passes WC in casualties? Tune in next week to find out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samus Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Just hold the line for 2 weeks, TOP. Just hold. for what lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) for what lolWere you around for the last two wars in which VE had any sort of struggle?Spoiler alert: Goldie gets cold feet when put to the fire. It's an odd medical condition, I'm told. Edited December 11, 2014 by Neo Uruk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ch33kY Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 VE send in their best guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baltus Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Were you around for the last two wars in which VE had any sort of struggle? Spoiler alert: Goldie gets cold feet when put to the fire. It's an odd medical condition, I'm told. Just in time for Christmas too. Sometimes the timing's almost too good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saladjoe Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Does this mean SRD passes WC in casualties? Tune in next week to find out! #23 vs #31 in casualties is always a great matchup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimos Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Me liking VE since forever has now been justified. Get em! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) Just in time for Christmas too. Sometimes the timing's almost too good.That was pretty neat! Nice job, TOP/VE, for impeccable timing. Edited December 11, 2014 by Neo Uruk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord bagel Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Exactly 30 mins after our DoW was posted I got countered by a coordinated unit. And a stagger was in place. So yeah at least they did well. Haven't had the time to look the entire stats of any of the blitzes: ours or yours. But it was to be expected: your counter and some quality fighting. I got one VE guy to counter me at 5:30 this morning. What gives VE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Impero Romano Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 This was just so our members could stop complaining about lack of slots in the MI6 war. Enjoy the fight, TOP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inferno Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Sad to see TOP on the other side. o/ VE o/ IRON o/ TOP (don´t let NpO manage your destiny, again. They are your natural enemy ) "The man is the only animal that burns twice with the same fire". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alyster Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 I got one VE guy to counter me at 5:30 this morning. What gives VE? Blah blah blah this is not a one word post, read the damn text on the picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBRaiders Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 This basically only happened because me and SRD were worried we wouldn't get targets this war and Vlad is the only one in range. Good luck with that. Vlad is a beast. There should be some good battles for both sides in this. Have fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white majik Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) Goddamimit, someone Gave SRD a target This basically only happened because me and SRD were worried we wouldn't get targets this war and Vlad is the only one in range. If I was on I would have hit TOP just so SRD would not have had a target Edited December 11, 2014 by white majik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornguard Posted December 11, 2014 Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 Good luck with that. Vlad is a beast. There should be some good battles for both sides in this. Have fun. I was hoping TOP would come in on us, but we're glad yall joined in. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted December 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2014 #23 vs #31 in casualties is always a great matchup. to be fair to Vlad, its not really 23 vs 31 (I cant believe I dropped all the way to 31... Stupid giving you guys a month head start...) its more like 23 vs 31, 103, 570, 935, 1,563, 3,252. And at the very least 31 and 103 will be coordinating attacks every day. So as much as I like to toot my own horn, its not exactly a fair fight, Vlad will be dropping pretty quick, but I expect him to go down fighting, which is all you can ask for in a 5 on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 He can always choose not to nuke you just to deny you casualties ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auctor Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 He can always choose not to nuke you just to deny you casualties ;) You are a bad person. This is what a bad person thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingzog Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 He can always choose not to nuke you just to deny you casualties ;) I believe that kind of psychological warfare would constitute a war crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilyn Caster Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 He can always choose not to nuke you just to deny you casualties ;) Truly some men just want to watch the world burn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Truly some men just want to watch the world burn. You are a bad person. This is what a bad person thinks. I believe that kind of psychological warfare would constitute a war crime. Psychological warfare is the only creative thing left in this cruel world. Sadly it is ignored by most other than the frequent attempts to spew so much garbage on the OWF that your opponents hate their lives and choose to end them (IC, of course). When I first saw the quick counter, I wondered how many nights VE waited in anticipation of being able to counter TOP. Causing likely opponents to prepare and remain up late is a pretty meaningful factor an alliance such as TOP gets to control, especially if an entry into war is inevitable. Delaying entry can burn out opponents psychologically. Anticipation can lead to a let down, especially since much of the excitement with war is actually that anticipation. As rulers age and have less time available to manage their affairs this can lead to considerably lower morale and ability to remain committed to a long term war. Over time, such psychological warfare results in an aggressor more quickly losing morale (especially in the rank and file) and in a war like this which will become a nuke fest for most of those rank and file nations it hurts morale significantly. When you add in the fact that TOP presumably had ample time to prepare their counter, resulting in minimal levels of their members waiting on the brink of war for nights on end, it's likely that simply delaying their entry a few days - let alone weeks - gives them a pretty significant morale advantage. ... of course, it's also possible that everything I wrote above really boils down to lolpsec rather than any strategic psychological warfare planning. But continuing our psychological warfare discussion, knowing the timezone of your opponents and then attacking only an hour or so past when a ruler would normally go to bed or awake for their days is the next logical step. You can wear down their ability to maintain their life and deprive them of sleep. If you attack too much into their night, they have no hope and give up. But by strategically planning your attacks to correspond with time that is on the cusp of intense inconvenience but remaining feasible, you can force them into either remaining up late, arising early, or choosing to sacrifice their nation for the sake of sleep, knowing it was fully in their power to be at the helm during your attack and they chose to abandon their post. I am equally surprised no alliance chooses to basically peace mode their entire alliance, decom all their soldiers, and DoW when leaving peace mode with no soldiers (but keeping tanks for the initial blitz and their immediate destruction upon a single counterstrike), thus depriving opponents of all their opportunity to steal land, tech, casualties, and promising only a boring war of nukes, spies, navy, randcraft, and cruise missiles, slowly chipping away at years of hard earned work with minimal casualties to show for it. Oh so much is missing from this world of psychological warfare. Simply choosing not to nuke casualty happy enemies is but scratching the surface! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir Stukov II Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 He can always choose not to nuke you just to deny you casualties ;) Hmm interesting strategy... :awesome: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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