Defender Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 NPO NPO he's our man, if he can't do it, Umbrella can! Umbrella Umbrella he's our man, if he can't do it, Sengoku can! Sengoku Sengoku he's our man, if he can't do it, sanctions can! Defenderland hereby recognizes SWF and their elite fire-team Team Faddef as the most dangerous man in the Bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Ferdinand Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 So, when are SWF going to get their forums fixed up, Defenderland? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph26 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 It is probably regarded as poor form to use sanctions during war, but when if you think about it, it should probably be done more often. Sanctions are tactics. If you are at war you better be sure you have some control of the Senate in the color team where you reside. Find a different color sphere like Blue where this would most likely not happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 reasons not to use sanctions: 1. it is considered poor form because trade circles are annoying as fuck to fix 2. you can probably get sanctioned right back anyway reasons to use sanctions: 1. you own the pink sphere and nobody can do shit to stop you anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 heh...Pretty effing weak. Sanctions are weak. Guess Umbrella ain't as leet as they claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurnipCruncher Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I know right? It's almost like nobody was sanctioned in the last war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I know right? It's almost like nobody was sanctioned in the last war. bitch moves are bitch moves, regardless of who makes them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I moved off Black to get away from Umbrella and their ability to sanction people there, despite having been there since my nation creation date before they sanctioned me there on behalf of GOONS. Now my trade circle which has been around since before any PECS alliances came to Pink will likely need to move because of Umbrella's unwelcome influence on Pink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schmoo Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I agree it is poor form to use sanctions as a war tactic. It would be different if they were rogues, but it these two are not. Man up and fight your war or go hide in peace mode if you can't win a 3v1. Thats pretty weak play right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Nukem Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) Yeah, pretty much a crappy thing to do to an opponent, what happened to fighting with class? Edited November 25, 2014 by Duke Nukem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Bad Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Yeah, pretty much a crappy thing to do to an opponent, what happened to fighting with class? That stopped during Great War 3 in 2007. Been all down hill since then. Now every war some one uses santions and less and less people care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azaghul Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) That's a crappy move. Provoking a sanction war would be annoying for everyone. Edited November 25, 2014 by Azaghul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auctor Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Whenever I punch a toddler from now on, just know that it is in support of my dear allies in Umbrella. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigrun Vapneir Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Sanctions during war, timmeh, really? You used to be a man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingzog Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Using sanctions as a weapon? Why I never.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeology Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Bad show umbrella. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercoolyellow Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Pretty piss poor Umbrella. It looks very weak to sanction some one in war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anarquista Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) nothing not even sanctions will help against what is the wrath of the most wrathful, the one true Elesef praise be unto her and her blessed children of Faddef Edited November 25, 2014 by Anarquista Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingzog Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I used sanctions quite effectively as Vox's Red Senator, so I know just how much they can disrupt an enemy. My own tactic was actually worse in some respects. I'd wait until a nation was on its last day of inactivity before applying the sanction. If it was on the way to deletion, no real harm done. Otherwise, I would completely ruin a perfectly good back-collection. The number of angry PMs I received made this quite fulfilling. But then again, I was fighting an enemy who had informed me that I "would never get to play Cybernations again." (What is this Cybernations, anyway? Oh well, no matter.) So in many respects the situation was quite different. But consider this: Umbrella is merely pinching off resources at the source, as Polar did with DBDC's tech suppliers. How is one acceptable while the other is not? This is a legitimate question, btw. There was a time when using nuclear weapons was taboo. Isn't this just part of the evolution of warfare? What specifically about this makes it unacceptable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preat0rian Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 come on... just poor gamesmanship. Sanctions during the war... low blow. Just War o/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I used sanctions quite effectively as Vox's Red Senator, so I know just how much they can disrupt an enemy. My own tactic was actually worse in some respects. I'd wait until a nation was on its last day of inactivity before applying the sanction. If it was on the way to deletion, no real harm done. Otherwise, I would completely ruin a perfectly good back-collection. The number of angry PMs I received made this quite fulfilling. But then again, I was fighting an enemy who had informed me that I "would never get to play Cybernations again." (What is this Cybernations, anyway? Oh well, no matter.) So in many respects the situation was quite different. But consider this: Umbrella is merely pinching off resources at the source, as Polar did with DBDC's tech suppliers. How is one acceptable while the other is not? This is a legitimate question, btw. There was a time when using nuclear weapons was taboo. Isn't this just part of the evolution of warfare? What specifically about this makes it unacceptable? So then you would be fine if NoR got hit with sanctions in war? Gotcha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azaghul Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I used sanctions quite effectively as Vox's Red Senator, so I know just how much they can disrupt an enemy. My own tactic was actually worse in some respects. I'd wait until a nation was on its last day of inactivity before applying the sanction. If it was on the way to deletion, no real harm done. Otherwise, I would completely ruin a perfectly good back-collection. The number of angry PMs I received made this quite fulfilling. But then again, I was fighting an enemy who had informed me that I "would never get to play Cybernations again." (What is this Cybernations, anyway? Oh well, no matter.) So in many respects the situation was quite different. But consider this: Umbrella is merely pinching off resources at the source, as Polar did with DBDC's tech suppliers. How is one acceptable while the other is not? This is a legitimate question, btw. There was a time when using nuclear weapons was taboo. Isn't this just part of the evolution of warfare? What specifically about this makes it unacceptable? The situation when you used it was a special one. In standard war situations sanctions are generally not used and for good reason. (OOC: They are a pain in the ass to deal with, don't add much to wars, and won't hurt active people almost at all except for making them go through the tedious process of getting secret trades. Extensive use of sanctions would just create a headache for everyone, they aren't "fun".) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubaQuerida Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 That's a crappy move. Provoking a sanction war would be annoying for everyone. Indeed so. Umbrella are dicks, hell they even had a leader named dickos. They can't even fight wars without having to ask us for help. Whoever treaties them should be laughed off the planet. Honestly, if you can't beat SWF without using sanctions, what kind of respectable alliance are you really? Those screenies are so impressive, I'm thinking about reversing the sanctions just so we can unleash the full fury of SWF onto these Umbrella cowards. Pink sphere is so amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingzog Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) So then you would be fine if NoR got hit with sanctions in war? Gotcha. Maybe if you go back and read what I actually wrote instead of picking up what you wish I had said you'll come across as less of a clown. No guarantees, though. That you responded so quickly and so stupidly is not an encouraging sign. The situation when you used it was a special one. In standard war situations sanctions are generally not used and for good reason. (OOC: They are a pain in the ass to deal with, don't add much to wars, and won't hurt active people almost at all except for making them go through the tedious process of getting secret trades. Extensive use of sanctions would just create a headache for everyone, they aren't "fun".) I'm not suggesting that they're 'fun'. Believe me, I understand the headaches they can cause in a way few others can. But if the point of war is to win, and if you can contribute to that effort by disrupting resources, then why not? Think of it as my blowing up your gold mine, or giving your livestock anthrax. There's been this unspoken arrangement that trade partners will overlook alliance politics. But why should that be the case? The thing about sanctions is that they can only be applied in a limited way, so the effects would not be far-reaching except, perhaps, to smaller AAs. I'm just trying to wrap my head around why they're inherently evil while other methods of curtailing exchanges between nations are not. I have no opinion one way or another, but simply saying "They're bad and aggravating" isn't really much of a counter-point. Edited November 25, 2014 by kingzog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero-One Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Down with Umbrella!! boooo hissss :gag: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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