Centurius Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Indeed, which is why I say this in reference to a merged nation, not allies. Though, maybe its a zoot point, nonsensical, I'll think on it more or possibly forget about by lunch time. Yeah, though the suggestions here do take that option in account already by requiring every part of a merge to rp their own portion of the points. So the poll options would more likely be. 1. 800 per nation, everyone can rp all forces 2. 800 per player, every participant can only rp their 800 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Yeah, though the suggestions here do take that option in account already by requiring every part of a merge to rp their own portion of the points. So the poll options would more likely be. 1. 800 per nation, everyone can rp all forces 2. 800 per player, every participant can only rp their 800 points. 3. 600 per player, every participant can RP all forces To me, what makes a merger different than two nations is that people in a merger are more or less forced to always come to a consensus decision to act as a unified nation, whereas coalitions can form and split and move around based on the national interests of each nation. Having each player RP their "section" of the army separately is, frankly, kind of ridiculous and clunky. And, at the same time, it would be ridiculous and gamey to let each player have 800 points to contribute just for one person to run around dominating the rest of us. 600 points takes this into consideration while still realizing that one nation should be acting unified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 3. 600 per player, every participant can RP all forces To me, what makes a merger different than two nations is that people in a merger are more or less forced to always come to a consensus decision to act as a unified nation, whereas coalitions can form and split and move around based on the national interests of each nation. Having each player RP their "section" of the army separately is, frankly, kind of ridiculous and clunky. And, at the same time, it would be ridiculous and gamey to let each player have 800 points to contribute just for one person to run around dominating the rest of us. 600 points takes this into consideration while still realizing that one nation should be acting unified. Both your statements are not backed up by precedent, we have seen mergers way more unstable than any coalition and no merger has ever lasted as long as certain coalitions have. Having everyone rp their own units has also always worked well and your third option while lowering the total points is a lot easier to take advantage of by truly just having people merge into you that won't post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evangeline Anovilis Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Any proposal that doesn't restrict people to RPing their own points is going to be a mess. It would lead to the situation where a state consists out of two or more people, who all bring together points and the strongest of the lot becomes the one to conduct all warfare, because they know best. That people control their own points is a safeguard, because it prevents the Weygands from donating points to the Rommels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Wilding Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 I don't even see why this needs to be a vote. Mergers get 800 points to work with - nothing more, nothing less. If they want the double million men or whatnot, then they don't have to merge. Blocs, alliances, whatever - those are irrelevant, that's normal RP. Mergers are abnormal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaiserMelech Mikhail Posted September 20, 2014 Report Share Posted September 20, 2014 No mergers, only anschlusses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted October 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Okay, I want to put this up for a vote so we can get this over with; it's been plenty of time for discussion. Please post your proposals for the vote. If no proposals are posted, then I guess we get no mergers cause we have no way to evaluate them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Nova Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Proposal: Each individual has the full set of 800, but must RP their own forces. Proposal 2: In a merged nation, each individual gets a decreasing amount of points. 1st person merging gets 600 on top of the original's 800. 2nd gets 400. 3rd gets 200. Everyone can RP each others forces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Add an additional option to proposal 2 with forced control of your own forces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yerushalayim Posted October 1, 2014 Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 Proposal 3: Each nation, regardless of number of players, receives only 800 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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