berbers Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 Article I: NATO recognizes The International Federation(TIF) as an alliance and vows to respect it's sovereignty. Both alliances recognize the need to keep open communication to maintain a strong and stable relationship, and agree to handle all issues through private channels and conduct bilateral affairs with utmost friendliness.Article II:NATO and TIF recognize that economic support is mutually beneficial for both parties. Therefore, priority will be given to each other over non-allied entities. If either signatory engages in political or military conflicts, it is the duty of the other signatory to offer diplomatic support.Article III:NATO gives its word to defend TIF through any and all means available, whether militarily, politically, or economically in times of distress. TIF is encouraged, but not required to come to the defense of NATO at any time while this pact is active. Both signatories have the option but not obligation to assist the other in offensive campaigns.Article IV:TIF agrees to promptly notify NATO of any pressing matters. TIF accepts NATO's guidance and support, and agrees to discuss all political or military matters prior to taking action.Article V:Either NATO or TIF may terminate this pact following a period of no less than 48 hours following notification to the other party. Signed for NATO, Tsayka ~ Secretary General Berbers ~ Secretary of Foreign Affairs Jekalle ~ Secretary of Defense Landon Esser ~ Secretary of Commerce Ionabis ~ Secretary of Enlistment Tallon ~ Chief Justice Signed for The International Federation, President Ash ~ President Goosinater ~ Minister of Foreign Affairs Borpri ~ General Kasra ~ Internal Affairs/Development Bluestar~ Promotions and Recruitment Inb4 flags don't match, not a real treaty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWilliam Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 Dammit, we were thinking of raiding these dudes. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berbers Posted August 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 Dammit, we were thinking of raiding these dudes. :( Sorry SW, i'll try and find some micros for you if I get time later in compensation >.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hartfw Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 I'm not sure why TIF doesn't recognize nato as an alliance and make that clause mutual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Ash Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Dammit, we were thinking of raiding these dudes. :( Right...... Good to know. btw I'm officially cancelling the treaty with GOONS. Soz GOONS. :mellow: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Right...... Good to know.btw I'm officially cancelling the treaty with GOONS.Soz GOONS. :mellow:Is this for real lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Congrats on the treaty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Ash Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Is this for real lmao Yep. The deal with NATO is better for us in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
President S O Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Right...... Good to know. btw I'm officially cancelling the treaty with GOONS. Soz GOONS. :mellow: Thanks for this, got my laugh before the day started. :P Congratulations on having your backs covered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salsabeast1 Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Good luck SIF, you chose a good protector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWilliam Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Sorry SW, i'll try and find some micros for you if I get time later in compensation >.> I wasn't referring to TIF... (Kidding ofc.) Right...... Good to know. btw I'm officially cancelling the treaty with GOONS. Soz GOONS. :mellow: So you don't think you owe it to GOONS to, you know, discuss this in private with them before haphazardly announcing it publicly in a thread that has nothing to do with them in the first place? Paper means so little to you guys? You have much to learn and apparently NATO has much to teach. Best of luck to you both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMeTheHorizon Posted August 11, 2014 Report Share Posted August 11, 2014 Dammit, we were thinking of raiding these dudes. :( They were an easy raid that said GOONS protected them, and cried and bitched about reps. I'm glad I raided them just for their response PMs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pansy Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 God damn you Berbers, I have been away from my office (ooc in Belgium) this weekend, and this was my Tuesday fun..... :(( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeMilton Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 there was (sort of) notice in the form of an IGM. idk who actually logs into CN daily, though, so meh. we accept the changes, but i kind of wonder how a NAP would actually in anyway interfere with this protectorate. oh well, it was a weird thing anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groucho Marx Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 (edited) It is my fault, more or less. I approached Ash a while ago offering a protectorate and started talks with them. We enrolled a few of their guys into our programs and we were "unofficially" protecting them for a time. Before I stepped back, we were waiting on TIF to organize themselves and make a decision on whether or not to pursue the offer I proposed to them. After I retired I simply lost interest and didn't think to really help close the talks one way or another. The off the books protectorate wasn't meant to be anything more than a temporary measure while talks were ongoing, but I simply didn't have enough drive to keep doing the Secretariat job after years of burn out and as a result I did not see this bit of small business through to its end. I was never very good at delegating responsibility and so Milton wasn't left with a lot of information on the status of TIF since I had been handling the matter personally. Anyways their members that did participate in our program were quite pleased with the results and it was a pleasure to work with them.Sure it's disappointing that they have decided to go another way but all in all, what they feel is best for them is what they need to do and that is something I had told Ash on several occasions when he wasn't certain about something. It is my understanding that they suggested the NAP agreement to us, though I didn't see it as necessary since we had been economic partners for a month or so but it didn't hurt either party to sign it and it will not hurt either party now that it has been unilaterally canceled. All that aside, I doubt NATO is capable of providing all the hands on help and training I had offered TIF but I suppose they are capable enough to protect a new alliance. Good luck, Ash. Edited August 14, 2014 by Emperor Marx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 I assumed the NAP was just kind of a holdover + way to not get raided by one of the bigger "raiding alliances" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berbers Posted August 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 there was (sort of) notice in the form of an IGM. idk who actually logs into CN daily, though, so meh. we accept the changes, but i kind of wonder how a NAP would actually in anyway interfere with this protectorate. oh well, it was a weird thing anyway. Generally we don't allow our protectorates to hold treaties with other AA's, it's just sort of a rule of thumb. It is my fault, more or less. I approached Ash a while ago offering a protectorate and started talks with them. We enrolled a few of their guys into our programs and we were "unofficially" protecting them for a time. Before I stepped back, we were waiting on TIF to organize themselves and make a decision on whether or not to pursue the offer I proposed to them. After I retired I simply lost interest and didn't think to really help close the talks one way or another. The off the books protectorate wasn't meant to be anything more than a temporary measure while talks were ongoing, but I simply didn't have enough drive to keep doing the Secretariat job after years of burn out and as a result I did not see this bit of small business through to its end. I was never very good at delegating responsibility and so Milton wasn't left with a lot of information on the status of TIF since I had been handling the matter personally. Anyways their members that did participate in our program were quite pleased with the results and it was a pleasure to work with them. Sure it's disappointing that they have decided to go another way but all in all, what they feel is best for them is what they need to do and that is something I had told Ash on several occasions when he wasn't certain about something. It is my understanding that they suggested the NAP agreement to us, though I didn't see it as necessary since we had been economic partners for a month or so but it didn't hurt either party to sign it and it will not hurt either party now that it has been unilaterally canceled. All that aside, I doubt NATO is capable of providing all the hands on help and training I had offered TIF but I suppose they are capable enough to protect a new alliance. Good luck, Ash. Yes we probably can't provide all the excellent advise on nation building that the upper tier powerhouse GOONS can, however we can at least stop them from being raided, which is something you guys couldn't even be bothered with :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groucho Marx Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 Generally we don't allow our protectorates to hold treaties with other AA's, it's just sort of a rule of thumb. Yes we probably can't provide all the excellent advise on nation building that the upper tier powerhouse GOONS can, however we can at least stop them from being raided, which is something you guys couldn't even be bothered with :/ I had stepped in on a few occasions to protect them from outsiders, going as far as to send financial and military aid. If Milton felt the ad hoc agreement I made with them no longer suited our interests then he was under absolutely no obligation to do anything about it, and since we had not signed any official deal with them and that TIF had been notified that the measure was indeed very temporary, I don't see the problem here. So let me simplify it for you since you have quite the history of not being able to understand a very easy to follow series of events; They didn't want to be protected by us so they weren't being protected by us any longer because we aren't going to keep an informal arrangement indefinitely while they get their ducks in a row. Seems straight forward enough, but let's go ahead and keep spinning Berbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baltus Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 (edited) Right...... Good to know. btw I'm officially cancelling the treaty with GOONS. Soz GOONS. :mellow: This is how all cancellations should be announced from now on. Edited August 14, 2014 by Baltus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groucho Marx Posted August 14, 2014 Report Share Posted August 14, 2014 I'm canceling all agreements with Balltouch sphere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Ash Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 To be completely honest the reason i wasn't able to accept GOONS' protectorate offer was simply because i don't have as much control over my less experienced nations as i would like to have. The nations in my alliance that actually have the slightest clue how to do a simple tech deal were already deeply involved with KoN's tech deal program. The ASN thing was also just a bit to much for me because i need some of my slots available and ASN was taking them all up. GOONS i appreciate what you did for my alliance during the last few months but this is what is best for my alliance. So it is now time for us to part ways. Hopefully we can stay on good terms with or without a treaty to prove it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) I'm not sure why TIF doesn't recognize nato as an alliance and make that clause mutual. I actually think it is a proper distinction. NATO is already recognized as a sovereign alliance with its several treaties and general respect for the sovereignty of other alliances. NATO extending recognition of sovereignty to TIF essentially includes it within the boundaries of civilization. It's nice when alliances understand the old subtleties in today's world. Edited August 16, 2014 by Tywin Lannister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williambonney Posted August 16, 2014 Report Share Posted August 16, 2014 An excellent protector you have there TIF, welcome to Bob and good luck :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Ash Posted August 17, 2014 Report Share Posted August 17, 2014 An excellent protector you have there TIF, welcome to Bob and good luck :) Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolarBear69 Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 An excellent protector you have there TIF, welcome to Bob and good luck :) Lies man, they want to make you a satilite state or merge you into NATO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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