The Pink Team's gone mad. Pecers are on the loos.

[Sabcat]

Well by all means, if you think it's going to get resolved faster by coming here and calling people clowns, keep at it.  I don't blame "Deffy", I didn't even know that was his pet name.  I'm just not voting for him.

 

 

 

Stop it, you're killing me. As if anything was resolved on the OWF, ever. I came here to post an account of events on Pink.  None of the responses have questioned the veracity of the account and that's good enough for me.

[Lord Hershey]

You're funny. I told you before, if you'd come to us and said you wanted to coordinate what proposals passed we'd have talked. That you're blaming Deffy for a proposal passing which 2 Pecers voted for makes you look like what you are, clowns.

You might want to get your facts straight on that last part. Da Dreadlord and Defenderland (both non-PECS senators) are two of three senators who voted yes for the immigration proposal. Bones voted without PECS' consent and that mistake surely won't happen again.

For future references, name calling won't get you anywhere.

[Xanth]

Just switch to red and vote for me..err.. NPO. :D

[Sir Kiloist]

It's so peaceful on the grey team this time of year I hear.

[Xavier Harkonnen]

It seems to me that the forces of anarchy, and chaos have been allowed to run rampant in the Pink sphere. I see a lot of talk about LSF raiding nations, and their come uppance as a retaliation. My question to this viewpoint is: why now? In my time as a member, I saw no case of rogue aggression originating from within our borders. If it goes back farther then my time, then all the better to question the timing of this "response". To me, those people spouting that nonsense are making history fit a narrative of unbridled tyranny and aggression. Well, I'm here to say: try harder, because its blatantly transparent.

The nations of Pink have a fundamental right to elect senators they feel best represent them, and that they feel identify them or their alliances. Rogue attacks, warrantless sanctions and political posturing should be called for what it is. If you have been attacked or sanctioned without notice, an appeal must be made to the wider world.

This is not a pink conflict, but rather a global one. Many alliances rely on the tech, and services of buyers from nations on the Pink team. Trade circles play an important, yet profitable role. The loss of stability and reliable alliances and nations damages the economies of alliances incapable of mounting a proper defense against Bones, untouchable and General how. This is on purpose: they cannot, and do not have the stomach to force their tyranny on anyone but the weakest among us.

At some point, this will spread. I ask only that you consider this: are you willing to fight this chaos in your own color spheres, or will you rise together to strangle this menace in its cradle? Time will tell...

[d3mon]

Roll nazies infidels  Pecers.

[Bob]

Basically we want the freedom to vote for whom we wish without being attacked and sanctioned for it, and I come to publicly denounce the actions of a one out of line senator bones of untouchable,
if we can't peacefully coexist, then we might have to move from pink all together! is this the planet bob we want!

yes it is

[KenoCore]

"Listen, I'm tellin' you, it's my world, I does what I wish to
If you're mad well too bad, sounds like a personal issue"

[Xanth]

It seems to me that the forces of anarchy, and chaos have been allowed to run rampant in the Pink sphere. I see a lot of talk about LSF raiding nations, and their come uppance as a retaliation. My question to this viewpoint is: why now? In my time as a member, I saw no case of rogue aggression originating from within our borders. If it goes back farther then my time, then all the better to question the timing of this "response". To me, those people spouting that nonsense are making history fit a narrative of unbridled tyranny and aggression. Well, I'm here to say: try harder, because its blatantly transparent.

The nations of Pink have a fundamental right to elect senators they feel best represent them, and that they feel identify them or their alliances. Rogue attacks, warrantless sanctions and political posturing should be called for what it is. If you have been attacked or sanctioned without notice, an appeal must be made to the wider world.

This is not a pink conflict, but rather a global one. Many alliances rely on the tech, and services of buyers from nations on the Pink team. Trade circles play an important, yet profitable role. The loss of stability and reliable alliances and nations damages the economies of alliances incapable of mounting a proper defense against Bones, untouchable and General how. This is on purpose: they cannot, and do not have the stomach to force their tyranny on anyone but the weakest among us.

At some point, this will spread. I ask only that you consider this: are you willing to fight this chaos in your own color spheres, or will you rise together to strangle this menace in its cradle? Time will tell...

 

 

I see 2 active aggressive wars on your aa. While I can not speak towards sanctions at all I do think claiming to be victims of military aggression after 2 raids is a bit much.

[Space Monkey]

 

When we first saw this announcment, this is what we saw. Poorly written threats from a powindah nerd bully are not scary. Yeah, we are voting for an inactive senator, but we were doing it because we dont care about the senate. We do care however when stupid people try to bully us.  Either ask us not vote for an active senator or attack us all; just dont be a dummy, we are not going to respond to poorly written threats.

[Xavier Harkonnen]

 
 
I see 2 active aggressive wars on your aa. While I can not speak towards sanctions at all I do think claiming to be victims of military aggression after 2 raids is a bit much.

What seems to be a bit much, is a seriously Ill informed ruler who cannot distinguish the protection of sovereignty with rogue attacks. Look at those nations, as well as the alliances. Those nations actively attacked LSF nations in unwarranted "raids" (read: acts of open war). It seems to me that responses from LSF are entirely legitimate and within their rights to defend themselves. Perhaps you'd like to clarify why that's not the case? I thought so.

[Saladjoe]

In Lum we trust.

[Xanth]

What seems to be a bit much, is a seriously Ill informed ruler who cannot distinguish the protection of sovereignty with rogue attacks. Look at those nations, as well as the alliances. Those nations actively attacked LSF nations in unwarranted "raids" (read: acts of open war). It seems to me that responses from LSF are entirely legitimate and within their rights to defend themselves. Perhaps you'd like to clarify why that's not the case? I thought so.

 

I'm not arguing your right to defend yourself nor the legitimacy of the attacks in any way. Im just saying that it's 2 nations.... You won't win much public pity by coming to the owf about 2 sub 15k ns nations  attacking you nor 3 trade and aid sanctions (though I don't like to see ronjoy on that sanction list myself).

 

You would probably have been better off doing this diplomatically behind closed doors. Either with the offending nations/senator or your and their allies to attempt to resolve this issue. Instead you come to the owf to "raise awareness" of the happenings on pink as if that would accomplish anything at all.

[Ogaden]

You might want to get your facts straight on that last part. Da Dreadlord and Defenderland (both non-PECS senators) are two of three senators who voted yes for the immigration proposal. Bones voted without PECS' consent and that mistake surely won't happen again.

For future references, name calling won't get you anywhere.

Wait, let me get this straight, SPATR is attacking LSF because LSF voted for a measure that SPATR's senator also voted for?

o_O

O_o Edited August 6, 2014 by Ogaden

[Unknown Smurf]

I'm not sure whats going on, the Kaskus guy hitting LSF is unrelated to PECS and I've messaged multiple people on the LSF AA and been ignored by everyone except Sabcat who says he has no idea what is going on and then annouces this. 

 

I am suspicious but I'm looking into it -- feel free to contact me on IRC like you said you would 30+ hours ago. 

[iamthey]

So far what I've seen in this thread only further cements the fact that 'deffy' is ill suited to be a senator. All this talk of precedence, aged legitimacy, and privilege is unbecoming of LSF- its almost quaint in the feudal wellspring it draws upon. I think everyone is more than willing to talk this out. Before that can happen however, LSF needs to reel in their shameless roguing and accept some responsibility for the damage they did to my last collection. Libertarian socialism can't bring harmony to pink, LSF must align themselves to the systemizers regime or accept the due price of their reckless abandon.
 

It seems to me that the forces of anarchy, and chaos have been allowed to run rampant in the Pink sphere. I see a lot of talk about LSF raiding nations, and their come uppance as a retaliation. My question to this viewpoint is: why now? In my time as a member, I saw no case of rogue aggression originating from within our borders. If it goes back farther then my time, then all the better to question the timing of this "response". To me, those people spouting that nonsense are making history fit a narrative of unbridled tyranny and aggression. Well, I'm here to say: try harder, because its blatantly transparent.

The nations of Pink have a fundamental right to elect senators they feel best represent them, and that they feel identify them or their alliances. Rogue attacks, warrantless sanctions and political posturing should be called for what it is. If you have been attacked or sanctioned without notice, an appeal must be made to the wider world.

This is not a pink conflict, but rather a global one. Many alliances rely on the tech, and services of buyers from nations on the Pink team. Trade circles play an important, yet profitable role. The loss of stability and reliable alliances and nations damages the economies of alliances incapable of mounting a proper defense against Bones, untouchable and General how. This is on purpose: they cannot, and do not have the stomach to force their tyranny on anyone but the weakest among us.

At some point, this will spread. I ask only that you consider this: are you willing to fight this chaos in your own color spheres, or will you rise together to strangle this menace in its cradle? Time will tell...

-Xavier lannister August 2014 Edited August 6, 2014 by iamthey

[Sephiroth]

I do think the use of sanctions has got a little out of control, I remember when the Pink Sphere was the color which made use of sanctions the least. That is what brought me to the Pink Sphere long before TOP or DBDC came to Pink. If I held a seat I would be using it to keep Pink as sanction free as possible and removing as many as I can. I hope those holding senate seats can see the value of a color sphere who doesn't sanction its members.

Edited August 6, 2014 by Methrage

[The Zigur]

Sanctions. It's just bad business.

[Sephiroth]

I'm a little disturbed to see yet another undeserving Pink Nation get sanctioned. Anarquista just got sanctioned with reason "Request from Xanth", apparently for hitting a nation attacking his AA. Sad day for the pink sphere when defending your alliance from attack is a sanctionable offense.

 

I've been voting Cuba since he started running until this cycle where I voted Lum, before that I voted Timmeh. So I'm not anti-PECS and have been supporting them with my votes. Although I'm disturbed by how things are developing on Pink. My trade circle has members from 4 different alliances on it, one of them in LSF. So these sanctions don't just hurt the nations these senators are trying to hurt, but also hurting a lot of nations who have made the Pink Sphere their home. A lot of trade circles are likely getting messed up due to these excessive sanctions...

Edited August 6, 2014 by Methrage

[Neo Uruk]

Can you dickheads at least sanction Rota before LSF members? Christ.

[Xanth]

No one is attacking an SRA member in lsf.

Edited August 6, 2014 by Xanth

[Sephiroth]

No one is attacking an SRA member in lsf.

I realize that, but the only war anarquista has active is with CheeseIceCream; who declared on a LSF nation first. So him being sanctioned doesn't make sense, but your name was thrown in for the reason.

 

Pink Team Sanctions

8/5/2014 9:06:49 PM System Generated 0

Level 1

Message: untouchable sanctioned anarquista of koyaanisqatsi with trade and foreign aid sanctions for the reason of Request from Xanth. Click here to view and post comments.

Edited August 6, 2014 by Methrage

[supercoolyellow]

Well by all means, if you think it's going to get resolved faster by coming here and calling people clowns, keep at it.  I don't blame "Deffy", I didn't even know that was his pet name.  I'm just not voting for him.

 

 

I don't think he's trying to resolve it  here on the OWF. I think he's just giving his description of what has happened.

[Xanth]

Those reasons are between myself and the other nations involved but it's cute watching you dig for a reason.

[Sephiroth]

Those reasons are between myself and the other nations involved but it's cute watching you dig for a reason.

Whatever your reason might be, these sanctions effect a lot more nations than just the ones directly sanctioned. So generally there should be a very good reason for doing so.