Ogaden Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) I have created a formula for judging the true strength of alliances, basically effective hitting power (or 'projection') minus non-tech NS (or 'exposure'). Projection means damage-dealing effective NS, and Exposure means NS exposure to said damage, so a 100k nation with no nukes or tech or WRC would be completely exposed to damage, while a 100k nation with no land or infra has 0 exposure, since all its remaining NS is damage inflicting NS. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l8z9QnQNUErVygYCis0bDpaqq20VVHp6y-IVHSlFe3U/pubhtml One thing I thought of doing is modify the exposure downwards with damage reduction wonders like SDIs or the CM interceptor wonder, maybe I'll tinker with this more later. The activity adjustment may be unfair as some alliances are more active during wartime, but I think generally speaking the wartime activity boost is not as dramatic as people make it out to be, largely inactive people are largely inactive even if there is a war on, though the inactive members are usually also the most exposed so this may be a double-counted penalization. Suggestions? Thoughts? Edited July 21, 2014 by Ogaden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Hakai Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 looks cool bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third King Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) I'm guessing the Activity Adjusted column is the result of using the formula with the "active" nations instead of the total nation count? e: missing word Edited July 21, 2014 by Third King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted July 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) I'm guessing the Activity Adjusted column is the result of using the formula with the "active" nations instead of the total nation count? e: missing word Basically the projection is then penalized for inactive nations (so projection times percent active) but minus the full amount of exposure, to represent how inactive nations cannot make use of their projection power, but are just as exposed. Edited July 21, 2014 by Ogaden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 Good stuff per usual Ogaden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxplayer Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 I have created a formula for judging the true strength of alliances, basically effective hitting power (or 'projection') minus non-tech NS (or 'exposure'). Projection means damage-dealing effective NS, and Exposure means NS exposure to said damage, so a 100k nation with no nukes or tech or WRC would be completely exposed to damage, while a 100k nation with no land or infra has 0 exposure, since all its remaining NS is damage inflicting NS. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l8z9QnQNUErVygYCis0bDpaqq20VVHp6y-IVHSlFe3U/pubhtml One thing I thought of doing is modify the exposure downwards with damage reduction wonders like SDIs or the CM interceptor wonder, maybe I'll tinker with this more later. The activity adjustment may be unfair as some alliances are more active during wartime, but I think generally speaking the wartime activity boost is not as dramatic as people make it out to be, largely inactive people are largely inactive even if there is a war on, though the inactive members are usually also the most exposed so this may be a double-counted penalization. Suggestions? Thoughts? So basically, you're sorting alliances by their Tech NS (+military) and subtracting Land and Infra NS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saladjoe Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 I like the metrics you use especially with the exposure bit. Are you basing the inactivity penalty on the % active? That's always been skewed by back collections in my opinion. Otherwise good stuff with the wonder weight and leaving out "soft" NS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auctor Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 I like the metrics you use especially with the exposure bit. Are you basing the inactivity penalty on the % active? That's always been skewed by back collections in my opinion. Otherwise good stuff with the wonder weight and leaving out "soft" NS.Back collections no longer affect displayed inactivity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogaden Posted July 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 I like the metrics you use especially with the exposure bit. Are you basing the inactivity penalty on the % active? That's always been skewed by back collections in my opinion. Otherwise good stuff with the wonder weight and leaving out "soft" NS. Activity used to be skewed by backcollects but Admin changed it about a year ago to be based instead on last login time, so it actually is "activity" now and a useful metric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saladjoe Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 Oh well then I stand corrected. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walshington Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Oh well then I stand corrected. :P You can't say that on the OWF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeology Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Looks good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IYIyTh Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 You can't say that on the OWF. He sits corrected a lot too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 I am liking where MI6 is in the standings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Back collections no longer affect displayed inactivity. How can the game tell the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saladjoe Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 He sits corrected a lot too I'll go with the typical OWF parlance of "no u" here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IYIyTh Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 I'll go with the typical OWF parlance of "no u" here. You just used the word parlance on the OWF. Also, thanks Ogaden. Still requesting the other horseman join the stable. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyriakos Raanb Dorou Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 How can the game tell the difference? The activity shown in alliance statistics simply measures who has logged on in the past three days, as I understand it.Recent changes also show that data for individual nations (whether it has been three or more days since their last log-in). :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Ah ok thanks, makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubaQuerida Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Good stuff. Could you imagine if the top 3 alliances had some kind of treaty together? Good lord that would be cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfox101 Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 I wouldn't call it "true" strength, given that about 20 one man AA's sit ahead of alliances like NSO, and Nordreich is lower than Imperium of Pony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldie Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Should find a way to work peace mode usage or wars per nation into it, after all, true strength is only the percentage of the alliance that gets used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third King Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 It's crazy how far GPA drops down when you switch to activity adjusted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 You could talk to the owner of the Lyricalz site (i forget who runs it, Samus I think?) and add in the damage done/taken, and the wars fought stats that has been compiled for the last 2 years or so over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHiott Posted July 22, 2014 Report Share Posted July 22, 2014 Good stuff. Could you imagine if the top 3 alliances had some kind of treaty together? Good lord that would be cool. It'd probably result in global stability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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