The Zigur Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 I'm going to make this brief, and not burden you with minute details that I like to roleplay. I will simply list arguments as to why it may be in your interests to "keep me in CNRP2." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I believe in delivering interesting roleplay I believe that optional recognition gives unique nations a chance to survive I believe that the optional recognition poll is active until July I believe it should not be easy for bully nations to push around smaller players solely on the basis of nation strength I believe if a Nation wants to act aggressively, especially against a smaller nation, they should prove they have the assets to do so I believe that game mods are not infallible, nor do they have authority. They are supposed to mediate disputes, not allow players to be driven from the social community by in-game Nation Strength I believe that mods shouldn't ban players from #CNRP2 based on their political beliefs I believe players shouldn't twist arms via OOC means I believe players should respect collaborative roleplay norms I believe defenders deserve "trials by wargame" before being humiliated and forced from the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 Then go start CNRP3. Our rules have been built by the community, and its not our fault you ignored discussions on the rules. Even now you don't post in the rule discussions going on, instead choosing to kick and scream when we tell you we have rules and that actions have consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 People want you gone because you're annoying as hell and cry foul over perfectly reasonable things that you'd understand if you were open to being part of the community and letting people talk things through. I personally don't think you've done anything worth kicking you out over, but you're probably gonna be gone and the RP will probably be better off as a result of not having to deal with your trolling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted June 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 Nowhere in the 50k recognition vote did it say that optional recognition was voided by prior roleplay, nor did it state that community vote-ins nullified optional recognition. You banned me on IRC for disagreeing with me on OOC politics. You are discredited as an impartial moderator, and I no longer recognize you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted June 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 (edited) People want you gone because you're annoying as hell and cry foul over perfectly reasonable things that you'd understand if you were open to being part of the community and letting people talk things through. I personally don't think you've done anything worth kicking you out over, but you're probably gonna be gone and the RP will probably be better off as a result of not having to deal with your trolling. I wanted to negotiate with Japan, but they didnt want to because Mogar threw an OOC fit: 12:46 Mogar im not going to treat you with the kiddie gloves just because you're smaller 12:46 Tywin_Lannister I'm going to challenge you OOC because its disproportionate and doesnt make sense 12:47 Mogar my leader is irrational 12:47 Mogar that is IC 12:47 Tywin_Lannister doesnt matter 12:47 Mogar it does matter 12:47 Tywin_Lannister your command staff would take care of that 12:47 Tywin_Lannister irrational leaders dont last long 12:47 Mogar my command staff doesnt have the final order 12:47 Tywin_Lannister lol 12:47 Tywin_Lannister they have pistols 12:47 Mogar then she gets removed after your nation gets wiped from existance 12:47 Tywin_Lannister naw 12:47 Mogar half of my nation believes she is literally a goddess 12:47 Tywin_Lannister like I said, prepare yourself for a long ooc challenge 12:48 Mogar and the only reason Tokyo did not get it 12:48 Mogar like i said 12:48 Mogar prepare yourself to get wiped off the map 12:48 Tywin_Lannister nope, not gonna recognize that 12:48 Mogar go check what 20MT nukes do to hawaii 12:48 Mogar then you get wiped from CNRP2 12:48 Tywin_Lannister nope 12:48 Mogar you HAVE to recognize war RP 12:48 Tywin_Lannister not if it doesnt make sense 12:48 Mogar yes you do 12:48 Tywin_Lannister nope 12:48 Mogar go ask a GM 12:48 Tywin_Lannister GMs arent final law 12:48 Mogar you are not a unique and special snowflake 12:48 Mogar yes they are 12:49 Tywin_Lannister nope 12:49 Tywin_Lannister they are fellow roleplayers 12:49 Mogar like i said 12:49 Mogar go make CNRP3 12:49 Tywin_Lannister nope 12:49 Mogar you obviously dont get how collaborative games work 12:49 Tywin_Lannister I think I do 12:49 Tywin_Lannister youre not being very collaborative 12:49 Tywin_Lannister you want to wipe me from the game 12:49 Tywin_Lannister for propaganda 12:49 Mogar you are forcing me into that position 12:49 Tywin_Lannister lol 12:49 Mogar stop your propaganda 12:50 Tywin_Lannister thats bullshit 12:50 Mogar or i will stop it 12:50 Tywin_Lannister you just told me youre going to attack 12:50 Mogar its a simply IC decison for you to make 12:50 Tywin_Lannister why dont we let the guam thread play out 12:50 Tywin_Lannister its very good RP 12:50 Mogar no it isnt 12:50 Tywin_Lannister why not 12:50 Mogar because i dont give a shit about it 12:50 Tywin_Lannister ok 12:50 Tywin_Lannister look 12:50 Tywin_Lannister are you going to attack or not 12:50 Mogar and shouldnt have had to make an entire fucking thread just to appease your dumbass 12:51 Mogar unless you apologize to me ICly 12:51 Mogar yeah 12:51 Tywin_Lannister not gonna do anything until the thread is done 12:51 Mogar the more noise you make, the more you draw attention to yourself 12:51 Tywin_Lannister if you want to attack during the middle of a pre agreed investigation thats on you 12:51 Mogar the more you are making my nation IC wish to demolish yours 12:51 Mogar do you understand that 12:52 Tywin_Lannister nukes are not the end of Hawaii, Mogar 12:52 Tywin_Lannister we still have our fleet 12:52 Mogar yes they really would be 12:52 Tywin_Lannister no, it wouldnt 12:52 Mogar i have enough nukes left over to hit your fleet too 12:52 Tywin_Lannister you dont know where my fleet is 12:52 Mogar go check how much damage a 20MT nuke would be 12:53 Mogar i can send out mine and a half dozen other nations with active sonar throughout the pacific 12:53 Tywin_Lannister Id just go battlestar galactica 12:53 Mogar SATINT rolls 12:53 Tywin_Lannister your radar cant reach hawaii 12:53 Mogar i would find you and destroy it if you push me into that 12:53 Mogar active sonar is not radar 12:53 Mogar for one 12:53 Tywin_Lannister Im not pushing you to do anything 12:53 Mogar yes you are 12:53 Tywin_Lannister as long as a single Hawaiian lives I will continue to RP 12:54 Tywin_Lannister you cant kill every Hawaiian 12:54 Mogar your IC propganda is literally giving my homefront something to rally against 12:54 Tywin_Lannister your homefront is exhausted after china 12:54 Mogar anti japan propaganda doesnt fly too well 12:54 Mogar my homefront isnt dealing with china 12:54 Mogar they're collapsed 12:54 Mogar we didnt invade 12:54 Tywin_Lannister Japan surrendered after WWII because of two nukes 12:54 Tywin_Lannister what makes you think youd be ready to launch a fresh war after three 12:54 Mogar that was before a nuke has ever been used 12:54 Tywin_Lannister lol 12:55 Mogar and they had no idea how many more the US had 12:55 Mogar this is set after literally tens of thousands of nukes had been launched 12:55 Tywin_Lannister woah 12:55 Tywin_Lannister tens of thousands 12:55 Mogar people have dealt with the effects of them before 12:55 Tywin_Lannister I thought you only have like 20 12:55 Mogar you seriously didnt put any attempt into learning the backstory of this RP 12:56 Tywin_Lannister no, i didnt 12:56 Mogar thats good to know 12:56 Tywin_Lannister how can you have 10000 nukes when you only have 25 in game 12:56 Mogar the entire world nuked itself 12:56 Tywin_Lannister 12:56 Tywin_Lannister how can you have 10000 nukes when you only have 25 in game 12:56 Mogar everyone collapsed 12:56 Mogar what part of 12:56 Mogar backstory 12:56 Mogar do you not get 12:56 Tywin_Lannister I have a backstory too 12:56 Tywin_Lannister it involves AEGIS 12:56 Mogar your AEGIS can suck a dick 12:56 Mogar it isnt a foolproof weapon 12:56 Tywin_Lannister so can your nukes lol 12:57 Mogar your AEGIS does nothing vs ICBMs 12:57 Mogar you arent using 2004+ tech 12:57 Tywin_Lannister anyway, we can sort this out like gentlemen in the ongoing thread, or have a really ugly roleplay that will really just piss everyone off 12:57 Mogar i'd rather piss everyone off 12:57 Tywin_Lannister why 12:57 Mogar simply because you seem to think you should just get away with disrespecting me constantly IC 12:58 Tywin_Lannister lol 12:58 Mogar and i shouldnt be allowed to hit you because you're smaller than me 12:58 Tywin_Lannister do I look like I care of anyone "disrespects me IC" 12:58 Mogar do i care OOCly? 12:58 Mogar not really 12:58 Tywin_Lannister then why start trouble for no reason 12:58 Tywin_Lannister seems like you care alot 12:58 Mogar BECAUSE I DONT WANT TO HAVE TO NUKE YOU 12:58 Mogar YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKER 12:58 Tywin_Lannister then dont 12:59 Mogar THEN STOP LAUNCHING PROPAGANDA AGAINST ME LOL 12:59 Mogar what part of that is so hard for you to get? 12:59 Tywin_Lannister um 12:59 Tywin_Lannister why do you think I made the guam thread 12:59 Tywin_Lannister not for shits and giggles 12:59 Mogar so you could 12:59 Mogar LOL ANTI IMPERIALISM 12:59 Mogar BETTER STICK IT TO THOSE JAPO PIGDOGS 12:59 Tywin_Lannister are you really imperialist 13:00 Mogar RAWWRRRR HAWAII AND ALL THESE FUCKING RANDOM ISLAND NATIONS THAT DONT ACTUALLY LIKE EACH OTHER ARE BESTIES 13:00 Tywin_Lannister lol 13:00 Tywin_Lannister yes, Samoa and Tonga dont like one another 13:00 Tywin_Lannister thats going to be part of my upcoming RP if you leave me alone 13:00 Mogar and generally continue what you do in the fucking boiler room, just in a RP instead 13:00 Tywin_Lannister so 13:00 Mogar who the fuck cares if I am imperialist or not IC 13:01 Tywin_Lannister you dont like my ooc politics 13:01 Mogar is your FA path really that fucking retarded? 13:01 Mogar you will intentionally get your nation destroyed for idealism? 13:01 Tywin_Lannister if my FA was retarded how did I get both guam and wake 13:01 Tywin_Lannister not guam, kiribati 13:01 Mogar because you took wake while i was distracted 13:01 Tywin_Lannister so, not retarded 13:02 Mogar taking candy from a baby isnt something to be proud of 13:02 Tywin_Lannister neither is nuking Hawaii for no good reason 13:02 Mogar you're bragging about stealing money from someone's wallet that was left in front of you while they werent looking 13:02 Mogar i have a good reason, your nation is a threat to the stability of the pacific 13:02 Tywin_Lannister actually, I have a larger plan for wake 13:02 Mogar your leaders are irrational and your people are brainwashed 13:02 Tywin_Lannister theres a reason I took it 13:03 Tywin_Lannister only your empress is irational 13:03 Tywin_Lannister everything Hawaii has done is highly rational 13:03 Mogar no 13:03 Mogar spitting in the face of your largest neighbor is not rational 13:03 Tywin_Lannister you took guam and sanctioned us 13:03 Mogar having them request you to stop only to do it further is not rational 13:03 Mogar i didnt take shit 13:03 Mogar lynneth controlled guam before you claimed it IC 13:04 Mogar again, if i claim hawaii that doesnt mean you dont exist 13:04 Tywin_Lannister you took guam and excluded Hawaii from the discussion, we protest that with propaganda, and you nuke us 13:04 Tywin_Lannister not very sensible 13:04 Mogar you have been a thorn in our side for longer than that 13:04 Tywin_Lannister how 13:04 Mogar uh, starting a war with the philippines 13:04 Tywin_Lannister lol 13:05 Mogar almost starting one with markus 13:05 Tywin_Lannister did you even read the thread 13:05 Tywin_Lannister dude tried to assassinate my diplomat 13:05 Tywin_Lannister because I didnt agree with him 13:05 Mogar i had genuinely hoped that was good fucking indication that your ass should respectyour neighbors a bit more 13:05 Mogar instead you continue to disrespect them 13:05 Mogar and expect nothing bad to happen because of it 13:05 Tywin_Lannister youre actually on the exact same level diplomatically kev was 13:06 Tywin_Lannister kev didnt like how I said no, so he tried to kill my dude in the philippines 13:06 Mogar the difference is he let you escape 13:06 Mogar i wouldnt 13:06 Tywin_Lannister so basically youre just a douche 13:06 Tywin_Lannister unlike kev 13:06 Mogar i would not going along with lulz RP 13:06 Mogar basically i am not going to let you act like an idiot in the middle of the pacific 13:06 Tywin_Lannister Hawaii never acted aggressively to either philippines nor japan 13:06 Mogar propaganda is agressive actions 13:07 Mogar always has been considered such 13:07 Tywin_Lannister lol, no, it isnt 13:07 Mogar if you think you deserve hawaii you will act in a manner that affords that 13:07 Tywin_Lannister do you realize all three of you want to attack hawaii without a legit IC reason 13:07 Tywin_Lannister wanted 13:07 Mogar do you realize that i dont fucking care about you in the slightest, so long as you arent saying a word about my nation 13:08 Tywin_Lannister kev because my diplomat said no, markus because I supposedly had his dudes, and you because you dont like the RP I post in my own threads 13:08 Mogar the second you open your mouth negatively about japan, you are giving me a legit IC reason 13:08 Mogar you are RPing propaganda against me, the last nation that did that almost destroyed the home islands 13:08 Mogar why wait around and let you get stronger? 13:09 Mogar squash you like the bug you behave like 13:09 Tywin_Lannister I did not RP against Japan, I RPd against your occupation of Guam 13:09 Tywin_Lannister big difference 13:09 Mogar you RP'd against japan 13:09 Tywin_Lannister Guam isnt Japan 13:09 Mogar and compared my nation to WW2 japan 13:09 Mogar go call a german a nazi 13:09 Tywin_Lannister where did I do that 13:09 Mogar see how well that goes over 13:09 Mogar uh 13:09 Mogar you know 13:09 Mogar every single propaganda post 13:10 Tywin_Lannister I roleplayed a documentary about Japan during WWII 13:10 Mogar which is offensive as fuck 13:10 Tywin_Lannister if the history channel does that in RL will Japan attack them 13:10 Mogar sit a japanese person down in front of it 13:11 Tywin_Lannister dude 13:11 Mogar and then ask them how they feel about it afterward 13:11 Tywin_Lannister you have japanese in RL denying that stuff happened in China 13:11 Mogar hence, you are not going to get a positive reaction 13:11 Mogar by playing that shit 13:11 Mogar so soon after we just got nuked 13:11 Tywin_Lannister so you are going to nuke hawaii over a documentary 13:11 Tywin_Lannister about WWII japan 13:11 Mogar old wounds opened up and you're throwing salt in it 13:12 Mogar i dont get how you can be this dense 13:12 Mogar i really dont 13:12 Tywin_Lannister old wounds opened up when you took Guam and refused to consult with Hawaii like Tikal and Australia did 13:12 Mogar if this were CNRP1, you would have been rolled 13:12 Mogar weeks ago 13:12 Tywin_Lannister this isnt CNRP1 13:12 Mogar i have tried to be nice to you 13:12 Mogar you refuse to do anything in exchange 13:12 Tywin_Lannister ok, look, I have better things to do 13:12 Mogar why should i continue to let you slap me around 13:12 Tywin_Lannister wait for the thread or attack, whatever 13:13 Tywin_Lannister its a fukn RP 13:13 Mogar and you are RPing really 13:13 Mogar really 13:13 Mogar stupidly 13:13 Mogar against me 13:13 Tywin_Lannister no, Im not, you are overreacting 13:13 Mogar and for the past week i have been warning you about thi 13:13 Mogar i point blank told you exactly why i would over react ICly 13:13 Tywin_Lannister everyones just going to thin youre stupid if you nuke hawaii 13:14 Mogar OOC i could care less if i have to destroy you or not 13:14 Mogar i'd prefer not to but you dont seem to want to get peace 13:14 Tywin_Lannister Im done here 13:14 Mogar so it doesnt matter that much to me 13:21 Tywin_Lannister mind if I post these logs in the ooc thread 13:22 Mogar how about you go reply to the fucking guam thread 13:22 Mogar and then if you decide to continue to be agressive against me IC, post whatever the fuck you want 13:22 Mogar i'll post them myself if you want Edited June 14, 2014 by Tywin Lannister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knights111 Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 Then go start CNRP3. Our rules have been built by the community, and its not our fault you ignored discussions on the rules. Even now you don't post in the rule discussions going on, instead choosing to kick and scream when we tell you we have rules and that actions have consequences. Look, in his defense, he has the right to remain in the game. You are being biased, removing someone because of there beliefs. I am not saying i agree with ALL his political ideals, but it is not right to kick me because of it. I could say something else, but i will leave it at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEDCJT Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 Look, in his defense, he has the right to remain in the game. You are being biased, removing someone because of there beliefs. I am not saying i agree with ALL his political ideals, but it is not right to kick me because of it. I could say something else, but i will leave it at that. This is not about his political beliefs as much as it's about his actions and his willingness to manipulate the rules for his own benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 Look, in his defense, he has the right to remain in the game. You are being biased, removing someone because of there beliefs. I am not saying i agree with ALL his political ideals, but it is not right to kick me because of it. I could say something else, but i will leave it at that. No, he doesn't have the right to remain in CNRP2. At most he has the right to post on the forum, which we are not restricting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted June 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 Should remove the terminology of "collaborative roleplay" from CNRP2 since the intent is to force people from the game based on cheap spyrolls and in-game nation strength button pushing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 Look, in his defense, he has the right to remain in the game. You are being biased, removing someone because of there beliefs. I am not saying i agree with ALL his political ideals, but it is not right to kick me because of it. I could say something else, but i will leave it at that. I think this guy should be out if we're getting rid of Tywin. He's easily as abrasive but doesn't contribute as much RP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEDCJT Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 (edited) I think this guy should be out if we're getting rid of Tywin. He's easily as abrasive but doesn't contribute as much RP. Nah, I think he's still learning in CNRP2. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt, something which Tywin had extinguished. Edited June 14, 2014 by JEDCJT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knights111 Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 I think this guy should be out if we're getting rid of Tywin. He's easily as abrasive but doesn't contribute as much RP. "doesn't contribute as much role-play". That is literally 99 percent of what i do. And i have my right to defend him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mona lisa Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 Nah, I think he's still finding a place in CNRP2. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt, something which Tywin had extinguished. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knights111 Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 Agreed. I know how to role-playin cnrp2. I read the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mona lisa Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 I know how to role-playin cnrp2. I read the rules. Well at least somebody did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yerushalayim Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 Chill, dudes. Tywin, just calm the fuck down. Folks aren't trying to drive you from the game on an OOG level, but you sure are annoying as fuck sometimes. Go and read through the rules, figure out how to play the game to your own advantage. If you don't like a rule, make a suggestion to change it, and get a few of us to agree so that it can go to a vote. Stop accusing people of things OOG, and accept that if you accuse them IG they're going to respond. Knights: It's cool to be newer to RP. We all started somewhere. Just keep postin' and having fun (and otherwise follow the same things I've said to Tywin). You'll both be fine, and probably have a lot more fun for it. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted June 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 Mogar already said he is going to nuke all of Hawaii and our fleet and deliberately force me from the game, America did not negotiate in good faith and chose to support this genocide beforehand, and this retarded spyroll has cut off my only avenue of escape. It's checkmate, no point roleplaying the details of my own race being wiped out by button pushers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 If you're not having fun, the best advice I can give is to leave. It's a game. When I stopped enjoying CoD, I uninstalled. Because it's a game, meant to be enjoyed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEDCJT Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 Mogar already said he is going to nuke all of Hawaii and our fleet and deliberately force me from the game, America did not negotiate in good faith and chose to support this genocide beforehand, and this retarded spyroll has cut off my only avenue of escape. It's checkmate, no point roleplaying the details of my own race being wiped out by button pushers. The problem is, once again, you're basing your ludicrous claims (and IC actions) on OOC statements, not IC actions. The 'genocide' that you keep yammering about hasn't happened yet ICly, yet you're acting as if it had happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yerushalayim Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 Dude, there's plenty of options. For example, there's South East Asia, India, some chunks of Africa, some more islands in other places, etc etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted June 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 Yeah, except both Bones and Mogar like to use OOC tactics through private messaging, and because of America's refusal to negotiate in good faith, I know they are working together to drive me from the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogar Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 (edited) Mogar already said he is going to nuke all of Hawaii and our fleet and deliberately force me from the game, America did not negotiate in good faith and chose to support this genocide beforehand, and this retarded spyroll has cut off my only avenue of escape. It's checkmate, no point roleplaying the details of my own race being wiped out by button pushers. I stated if you don't change your IC behavior you would be attacked by me, and I would not hesitate to use nuclear weapons if I needed to, which if your RP is to be followed, you would give me justification to simply nuke the islands rather than waste the forces required to take so many islands. Also trying to paint me as crazy to the CNRP2 community is pretty silly, everyone already knows I am. edit: changing my name in your propaganda to EASTASIA isn't going to make me say "well gee maybe he is talking about Shanghai", I don't think anyone is RPing leadership THAT dumb. Edited June 14, 2014 by Mogar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 Mogar has been surprisingly level headed through all this, actually. Gold star for Mogar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted June 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 I stated if you don't change your IC behavior you would be attacked by me, and I would not hesitate to use nuclear weapons if I needed to, which if your RP is to be followed, you would give me justification to simply nuke the islands rather than waste the forces required to take so many islands. Also trying to paint me as crazy to the CNRP2 community is pretty silly, everyone already knows I am. No, you stated if my IC behavior doesnt change your will "force me from the game" and use nukes against every Hawaiian asset. Essentially genocide, and you got the US to agree to this. I was hoping to escape to South America but that's cut off from me too. All I have are some small islands in the south pacific which will get mopped up with more nukes or airpower. Congrats, hope you're proud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uberstein Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 Well, playing as a series of tiny islands had strategic consequences. Strategic depth is a proven concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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