Unknown Smurf Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) Edited February 20, 2014 by Unknown Smurf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Malik Shabazz Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) BFF still exists? I thought they disbanded. Edited February 20, 2014 by Loki Laufeyson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Unknown Smurf Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) BFF still exists? I thought they disbanded. Did you not see the olympics? Edited February 20, 2014 by Unknown Smurf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auctor Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 DT's applicant AA is in a separate sphere from DT? :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Smurf Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) DT's applicant AA is in a separate sphere from DT? :P mm originally had DBDC & Aztec as one actually. Guess I missed the probes when I separated :facepalm: Too late now. EDIT: Speeling Edited February 20, 2014 by Unknown Smurf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander shepard Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Unfortunately this isn't competent enough for me, I will have to make my own one. It's more on par with last one despite the hype surrounding it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Smurf Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Analysis: In the first four, we have the current state of the world (as I see it). Clearly DBDC/Aztec have the advantage, their average NS is heavily weighed down here by "tech sellers" like DT probes and Doom Squad, yet they have the highest average NS by far. There is little competition for them until you factor in the neturals who have almost double the average NS as well as 40 more nations than DBDC/Aztec. People may question why I have DR and BFF (NEW/FEAR/WP/Kaskus) together but there are ties there between NEW/Valhalla (after the TORN merge) as well as between FEAR and IRON/Val currently. DBDC and IRON have recently NAP'd despite their bad blood, this looks to me as though they are trying to tie to BFF while assuring them there will be no conflict of interest should that happen. If that happens, then the rest of the world (save the neutrals) are statistically fucked. Honestly the only play I see is a return of the OoO with an aggressive movement against those that sell tech to DBDC/Aztec/BFF; otherwise they will quickly find themselves unable to keep an upper tier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander shepard Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 That is significantly more competent. Can you make one based on the tech tiers and such and perhaps WRC numbers too and anything else you see fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auctor Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 There are some awful weak links in an AZTEC/DBDC/DR/xBFF grouping though, and they'd be significantly weaker in lower and midtiers. I don't see that as being clean as you seem to think it might be. Equilibrium wasn't the losing side, after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Smurf Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 There are some awful weak links in an AZTEC/DBDC/DR/xBFF grouping though, and they'd be significantly weaker in lower and midtiers. I don't see that as being clean as you seem to think it might be. Equilibrium wasn't the losing side, after all. The only alliances that were not on equilibriums side that are also in the Aztec/DBDC/DR/xBFF grouping are DBDC and NG. I think they've both proven themselves this war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Smurf Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 That is significantly more competent. Can you make one based on the tech tiers and such and perhaps WRC numbers too and anything else you see fit. Give me a breakdown of what tech tiers you would like and then sure, I will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auctor Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 The only alliances that were not on equilibriums side that are also in the Aztec/DBDC/DR/xBFF grouping are DBDC and NG. I think they've both proven themselves this war. That wasn't my point. My point was that history does show that a larger upper tier isn't undefeatable, even if poorly applied and badly managed pressure is applied to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander shepard Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) Give me a breakdown of what tech tiers you would like and then sure, I will. I'm thinking something similar to ones used in EQ war stats. 30k+ tech, 25k tech, 20k tech, 15k tech, 10k tech, 5k tech. And then maybe another table just for the NS numbers like 250k+ NS, 200k, 150k, 100k, 80k, 60k, 40k. Edited February 20, 2014 by Commander shepard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Clearly DBDC/Aztec have the advantage, their average NS is heavily weighed down here by "tech sellers" like DT probes and Doom Squad, yet they have the highest average NS by far. Can you elaborate on why a higher average NS is such a huge advantage? I dont think you are accounting for the psychology of a militarily inexperienced upper tier. Those numbers mean nothing if they run from the battlefield in an actual war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Hershey Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Can you elaborate on why a higher average NS is such a huge advantage? I dont think you are accounting for the psychology of a militarily inexperienced upper tier. Those numbers mean nothing if they run from the battlefield in an actual war. They may run from the battlefield but they can't hide forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) They may run from the battlefield but they can't hide forever. Hide from who? The God Emperor? Edited February 20, 2014 by Tywin Lannister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Can we not turn another thread into "ShitTywinSays.txt" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Smurf Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) That wasn't my point. My point was that history does show that a larger upper tier isn't undefeatable, even if poorly applied and badly managed pressure is applied to it. A small upper tier advantage is defeatable.. but the stats show a clear advantage throughout the mid tier as well. I'm thinking something similar to ones used in EQ war stats. 30k+ tech, 25k tech, 20k tech, 15k tech, 10k tech, 5k tech. And then maybe another table just for the NS numbers like 250k+ NS, 200k, 150k, 100k, 80k, 60k, 40k. I'll take a look at those tiers closer later, but at first glace doesn't look like it fits well. Can you elaborate on why a higher average NS is such a huge advantage? I dont think you are accounting for the psychology of a militarily inexperienced upper tier. Those numbers mean nothing if they run from the battlefield in an actual war. Hypothetically if you control the top 250 nations, you can keep attacking the people lower than you, thereby dropping the 250th nation floor and eventually you can have 600k NS Cuba's going loco on 80k NS nations. Edited February 20, 2014 by Unknown Smurf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I was skeptical at first but was humbly surprised. Definitely a more thorough analysis but still could be improved with focused stats on specific tiers (I know that is a real pain in the rear to separate out). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) This is coming from someone with experience as an actual intelligence analyst, a competent analysis is about more than just number crunching. But, you'd fit right in with the squints. Edited February 20, 2014 by Tywin Lannister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starfox101 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 This is coming from someone with experience as an actual intelligence analyst, a competent analysis is about more than just number crunching. But, you'd fit right in with the squints. Bro we all know low ranking Intel Analysts in the Army are coffee boys Anyway, all this proved to me is that neutrals win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Zigur Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) Bro we all know low ranking Intel Analysts in the Army are coffee boys Anyway, all this proved to me is that neutrals win You must work in a POG unit. Edited February 20, 2014 by Tywin Lannister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malkavian Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 God? Emperor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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