Fox Fire Posted August 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 No, it takes 20 days to [b]complete[/b] the deal assuming the tech is accepted on day one. Im not counting the 10 last days of nothing. And no. Youd make about 1.1 mil. Ive already spent over 3mil for 100 tech at once buying it in 10s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auctor Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 if you're buying tech in 10's to 100 you're not really thinking in terms of profit, you're just being lazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted August 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Not sure what the exact number is, but 100 tech with the first 50 bought the cheapest way and the rest in 10 cost me over 4mil. Unless I bought something else, which I did not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted August 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Well I also forgot to add in my bills. So maybe slightly less than 4mil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander shepard Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 No, it takes 20 days to complete the deal assuming the tech is accepted on day one. Im not counting the 10 last days of nothing. And no. Youd make about 1.1 mil. Ive already spent over 3mil for 100 tech at once buying it in 10s. Â Those aren't 10 days of nothing, they're 10 days until your slot expires which makes those days still part of the deal. 10 days you have to wait before you enter another deal. Â The only way you could spend 3 million for 100 tech is if you did something noobish like buying another 100 tech on top of the 100 tech you already had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auctor Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 You're doing it wrong, it really shouldn't run you much more than 2mil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted August 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Nope. Granted I have no universities. I bought the first 50 the cheapest way. The next 50 was bought in 10s. I mean 3/50 only gives about 1.8 mil. And buying 100 is more expensive than buying 50 twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Yeah, you're not following the formula for the cheapest way to buy, which is why you wouldn't make as much money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted August 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 4.5 10 10 5 10 .5 10 Thats it yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 To 50 tech, yes. Does your alliance not run numbers to find the next 50 out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auctor Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 4.51010510101010510105.5p. sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted August 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 No, they havent yet. I just barely found out what it was to 100 after buying it. Ether way, I still only see 1.2 mil being the max profit from a 6mil/200t deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 You should be netting 1.6m or so at the least, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted August 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 IDK... Maybe Ill try it sometime and find out for sure. Ive had several tech buyers themselves tell me that 3mil/100 (6mil/200) is much more profitable for only them and that the honest price of tech should be 3mil/50 (6mil/100). Which I find believable considering pretty much any tech buyer cant get 100t for 6mil if they bought it themselves. At a 6mil/100t rate, the seller makes a few mil and the buyer gets a crazy ass bargain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 You also have to realize, though, that the profit margin of a tech deal usually goes towards the seller nation becoming a buyer. Too much growth too fast means buyers get barely any tech when the supply gets spread too thin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helios Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 A big part of your problem is that you're back-collecting at 1.9k infra, without labor camps. Generally a bad idea because you won't make much more net profit to offset the bill payment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Instr Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 No bull? 1.1m for 3m/100 deal, 1.7m for 6m/200 deal. something like 1.8m for 3m/50 deal, 4m for 6m/100 deal. As a buyer, if you can get 6m/100, you should get it, but with the higher tech rates people want 6m/200 deals, and to limit the population of buyers people also want to use 6m/200 deals to keep sellers from reaching buyer ranges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted August 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Neo, Instr, you both make good points. But were talking about CN here. A pol-sim game with more players than anyone and new players dome every day. Alduin from my understanding you should start using labor camps after 2000 infra. Hence why Im at 1,999.99. Am I wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazaraus45 Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Do people no longer use calculators for this kind of thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted August 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 Laz, thats forbidden technology!!!! But seriously, I did the math in my head and I stand by my statements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazaraus45 Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 (edited) Eh, disregard this post >_> Edited August 10, 2013 by lazaraus45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samwise Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 (edited) A few points: Â 1. 6/100 is obviously more profitable than 6/200. The numbers I came up with (with universities): Profits for two $3/50 deals: $4,700,440 Profits for one $6/100 deal: $4,248,468.4 Profits for one $6/200 deal: $2,496,936.8 Â 2. I don't agree with "keep as many people as tech sellers" logic. However, I do agree with giving benefits to my AA's tech sellers. I only guarantee 6/100 tech to my AA's tech sellers since I believe I should be investing in them first, and helping them grow so that they can in turn help nations on our AA grow. Â 3. If I tech deal with anyone else I'm taking the chance that they're going to run off with my money. If I up gain more tech in return, I'm making the risk more worth it. I've switched people from 3/100 to 3/50 for being reliable before. Â 4. If you're paid for 6/200, it's almost the same as two 3/100 tech deals, however, you're getting paid up front which allows you to utilize that money to put you at a more profitable infra level quicker. So while you're profiting less per deal, you're still able to build quicker, being why I believe the FAC rate should be 9/200. Â So I wouldn't be offended that people are offering you 6/200 tech deals. Just politely decline their offers and find people that are willing to pay your asking price. Â Also, the way you should buy tech from 0 to 100 is: 4.5, 10, 10, 5, 10, 10, 10, 10, 5, 10, 10, 5.5 Â Basically you're trying to get behind these cost spikes: Â Tech price per level: 0-5: 10000 4.99-9.99: 100 * tech + 12000 10-14.99: 100 * tech + 14000 15-29.99: 100 * tech + 16000 30-49.99: 100 * tech + 18000 50-74.99: 100 * tech + 20000 75-99.99: 100 * tech + 22000 It should be noted that you only save a couple thousand by purchasing behind the 75 cost spike, but if you're particular and already buy tech to get behind cost spikes you might as well. Free money is free money after all. Â On labor camps, 5 of them half your infra upkeep bill. At your infra I was already doing 20 day improvement cycles, so if you're not, you may want to try that if you're in a protected AA. Take your infra bill and divide it by 2 and that's how much labor camps will save you per day. Then factor in the cost to destroy and rebuy 5 of your cheapest eco improvements (that are not clinics or hospitals), as well as 5 labor camps and you'll see if you profit from labor camps at your level. It may not be much of a difference now, but it'll only get bigger as you build infra. Â I don't know why you just didn't ask me in the first place. :P Edited August 10, 2013 by Samwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderland Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 The fact that none of you have bothered to calculate the profit per aid slot use means none of you can definitively say whether 6M/200 tech is more/less profitable than 3M/50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurunin Posted August 10, 2013 Report Share Posted August 10, 2013 (edited) "a typical 3mil/50 gives you about 1.5-1.8mil."  This is from my experience and guides from alliances Ive been with.  the hell have you been smoking? standard 3mil/100 tech deals net you 1.2-1.6mil in cash.  it costs about 600-800k to buy 50tech ___  To buy 50 levels of technology, you will need $576,723.72.  Buy 4.5 levels of tech at $7,600.00 = $34,200.00 (4.5). Buy 10 levels of tech at $7,600.00 = $76,000.00 (14.5). Buy 10 levels of tech at $10,802.64 = $108,026.40 (24.5). Buy 5 levels of tech at $12,900.24 = $64,501.20 (29.5). Buy 10 levels of tech at $13,249.84 = $132,498.40 (39.5). Buy 10 levels of tech at $15,347.44 = $153,474.40 (49.5). Buy 0.5 levels of tech at $16,046.64 = $8,023.32 (50).  (multiply this by 2 for the standard 3mil/100 tech deals.) _________________________  To buy 100 levels of technology, you will need $1,538,822.92.  Buy 4.5 levels of tech at $7,600.00 = $34,200.00 (4.5). Buy 10 levels of tech at $7,600.00 = $76,000.00 (14.5). Buy 10 levels of tech at $10,802.64 = $108,026.40 (24.5). Buy 5 levels of tech at $12,900.24 = $64,501.20 (29.5). Buy 10 levels of tech at $13,249.84 = $132,498.40 (39.5). Buy 10 levels of tech at $16,011.68 = $160,116.80 (49.5). Buy 10 levels of tech at $16,046.64 = $160,466.40 (59.5). Buy 10 levels of tech at $18,144.24 = $181,442.40 (69.5). Buy 5 levels of tech at $19,158.08 = $95,790.40 (74.5). Buy 10 levels of tech at $19,193.04 = $191,930.40 (84.5). Buy 10 levels of tech at $21,290.64 = $212,906.40 (94.5). Buy 5.5 levels of tech at $21,989.84 = $120,944.12 (100).  (multiply this by 2 for 6mil/200tech) ___________  nvm, even cheaper than i thought  http://www.cn-utilities.com/TechCalculator.aspx Edited August 11, 2013 by Lurunin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banned Posted August 13, 2013 Report Share Posted August 13, 2013 You get the exact same amount of money in total. And no, getting more tech is not a rip-off. It's far cheaper than letting you just build up on your own, isn't it? Actually, you get 2/3 as much money, when you figure the extra time spent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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