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#2301 Centurius

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 08:20 AM

Why did I have to make the choice if it was your roll? You decide. It's just a matter of finding a way in.

 

It doesn't matter, it still happened.

 

You changed governments swiftly and declared several areas in martial law because a large minority of your civilians didn't like the new government... It looks like a coup.

 

We did not establish diplomatic relations. I tried making them with you and you said no. Diplomatic relations go past waving and trying to make a deal - it means actually having an agreement on paper.

 

I'd say that's even worse... A massive line of troops close to the border, ready to all move at once that could launch a surprise attack.... No yeah that isn't something to be cautious about.

 

 

And I understand that they'd use their own IDs and passports but the problem is my government doesn't want to allow civilians from a seemingly hostile nation into it's borders. So there's that.

 

 

 

And if you'd like me to do that then it'll take me a day or two to go through everything.

 

Actually it is more of the other way around, using real life standards before there is any kind of high level diplomatic meeting hundreds, if not thousands, of civil servants have interacted beforehand and enormous coordination has occurred. Coordination on a level not possible without previously existing relations. Using this as your standard this would also mean that you bar services and goods from nearly every state in the world as such if you want to go by this I expect to see a third world country rp'd. If however you wish any semblance of advancement such policies will not work. It is common procedure for states to establish military infrastructure near their international borders and as such it is not out of the ordinary.

 

Finally the policies and actions of previous states have no relevance on your current state, the ruling stands unless you show the roleplay of your current state.



#2302 Tidy Bowl Man

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 08:51 AM

I understand that Zoot won the roll to bring spies into my country and that is perfectly fine because I don't think he'll really find much except some military facilities that are obviously there and highly guarded that he couldn't get into anyway - but he still has to RP how they properly get in and trying to use VISAs under his nation's name with his civilians trying to cross his border with me in this situation (and in compliance with my current law in MidAmerica and the member states) is a virtual impossibility.

 

The spy rolls don't ensure victory for him if he conducts rp as an idiot, however, I think Cent brings up a reasonable point with demanding the rp to substantiate your claims. Whatever you did in the USI has no bearing on the current situation and a total freeze on immigration and tourism due to being leery of a foreign nation for whatever reason at least needs a mention before zoot started making rolls. 

 

At least that's my opinion, I'm not a gm anymore, so take it with a pinch of salt. 



#2303 Tidy Bowl Man

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 09:57 PM

 

2 spy rolls

 

1) Sats for sussing out the location of troop formations

2) Intelligence analysis using radio traffic, satellite photography, and all open source information (whatever there is, I suspect it wouldn't be much) to hone in on Command control and communication centers. 



#2304 Evangeline Anovilis

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Posted Yesterday, 02:51 AM

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Do I need prior RP for getting a spyroll on PD to intercept the message MGL sent to him regarding the Peace Conference? If so, I'm going to RP that out, otherwise, I'll RP the SIGINT operations of the Secret Service afterwards.



#2305 Markus Wilding

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Posted Yesterday, 06:51 AM

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Requesting spyrolls to determine locations of German SAM sites.



#2306 Centurius

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Posted Yesterday, 08:24 AM

1-X: Failure

X+1-100: Success where x is the chance of failure.

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2 spy rolls

 

1) Sats for sussing out the location of troop formations

2) Intelligence analysis using radio traffic, satellite photography, and all open source information (whatever there is, I suspect it wouldn't be much) to hone in on Command control and communication centers. 

 

100 and 54, both successes. 

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Do I need prior RP for getting a spyroll on PD to intercept the message MGL sent to him regarding the Peace Conference? If so, I'm going to RP that out, otherwise, I'll RP the SIGINT operations of the Secret Service afterwards.

 

SIGINT if using already existing facilities is a clear example of passive espionage as such the rp may follow the roll. 48. Success.

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Requesting spyrolls to determine locations of German SAM sites.

31 and 5, two failures.



#2307 Tidy Bowl Man

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Posted Yesterday, 09:32 PM

 

2 spy rolls

 

1) to determine which transportation hubs and routes are supplying Kev's forces facing me in Eastern Paraguay. 

 

2) A detailed analysis of Kev's radar and air defense network by examining electronic emissions and satellite photos. 



#2308 KaiserMelech Mikhail

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Posted Yesterday, 09:56 PM

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2 spy rolls

 

1) to determine which transportation hubs and routes are supplying Kev's forces facing me in Eastern Paraguay. 

 

2) A detailed analysis of Kev's radar and air defense network by examining electronic emissions and satellite photos. 

Are these actions using passive measures like satellites?



#2309 Tidy Bowl Man

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Posted Yesterday, 09:58 PM

Yeah, sats and passive intelligence collections via EWACs planes based inside of chile and other passive measures. I added in a small post acknowledging the last roll and showing I'm moving onto focus on gathering information for the new roll. 


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#2310 Centurius

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Posted Today, 04:38 AM

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2 spy rolls

 

1) to determine which transportation hubs and routes are supplying Kev's forces facing me in Eastern Paraguay. 

 

2) A detailed analysis of Kev's radar and air defense network by examining electronic emissions and satellite photos. 

With the same division as before

 

54 and 15, two wins.






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