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[quote name='Rayvon' timestamp='1337606603' post='2970236'] Well when you upgrade your relationship to trash ............ Gotta expect something here. The cancellation was a good note. [/quote] Yeah, we went from an MDoAP to an MDoAP. I can see why everyone is so up in arms. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisdisL6.jpg[/img]

We were in an MDoAP bloc with VE which disbanded, so we upgraded our personal treaty with VE to MDoAP, and people whine about it. Never change, OWF. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisyayL3.jpg[/img]

[quote name='Phineas' timestamp='1332904841' post='2944019'] Very reasonable. I wish you were the one negotiating the end to this. GOONS are great at starting wars, but not quite so good at ending them in rational ways. Good luck and best wishes in ending this. [/quote] MONGOLS has said no to 18m. There's really no lower we can go on reps than that. That can literally be accomplished by a single nation in one round of aid. That's less than 1m per nation MONGOLS has. We're not the ones being unreasonable/irrational. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisdisL7.jpg[/img]

[quote name='Fronkey' timestamp='1332868522' post='2943760'] I think KenoCore just equated Doomhouse with Jesus - three distinct parts, yet simultaneously a single glorious union. Are we Godhouse now? [/quote] Well Dinohouse did just steal DH so I guess we can be GH. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisdisL1.jpg[/img]

[quote name='Vol Navy' timestamp='1332820220' post='2943584'] I just have to shake my head and laugh at most of this stuff. GOONS were completely dominated during DH/NPO and the alliance still hasn't recovered in spite of massive aid fall and reps they received. They lost hundreds of nations to deletion over the course of the war and now have to have massive numbers of allies jumping onto their AA if they have to fight more than 3 or 4 50k+ NS nations (see current conflict). Sure they can dogpile the bottom 10-20 percent of most alliances. But those players can get back all that GOONS can destroy over the course of weeks of war after a cycle of aid. [/quote] Wow, I've never seen misinformation this blatant before. We lost [i][b]hundreds[/b][/i] of nations during DH/NPO? We always [i][b]gain[/b][/i] nations during wars, because we recruit during them (wars are good for business). We always keep track of number of nations of us and foes because we can always use it as insult fodder back and forth. "CoJ has so far lost 3 nations and we've gained 12. What up?" Besides, we've [i][b]never[/b][/i] lost [i][b]hundreds[/b][/i] of nations to [i][b]anything[/b][/i]. We always have somewhere around 200-220 nations. A bit more after a recruitment drive, but most will lose interest. The most we ever had at one time was about 300, after Facepunch merged into us, and 90% of them deleted 30 days later, and then another 90% another 30 days later. I think we only have about two left. And you still understand nothing of how Doomhouse works. Maybe next do a paragraph about how we've sustained trillions in damages to our 5k NS nations that can never be recovered by aid. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisfffL8.jpg[/img]

You realize you guys dropped the ball and now we can't do a Doomhouse/Deinos treaty called Dinohouse. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisfffL6.jpg[/img]

[quote name='KenoCore' timestamp='1332816402' post='2943572'] GOONS 1.0 doesn't exist anymore what makes you so sure GOONs 2.0 will stand any better of a chance [/quote] Mostly I'm pretty certain, if my math is any good, that 1 < 2 [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisdisL12.jpg[/img]

[quote name='the rebel' timestamp='1332813672' post='2943558'] Because you never said that, you said "All wars result in losses on both sides." No where did you specifically state where "the other side lost more." This has been a fun conversation. [/quote] Right, I never said that. Except in the second half of the sentence you edited. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeris9_9L2.jpg[/img] [quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1332808066' post='2943510'] Even if it was hundreds of millions, [i][b]it's nothing to the destruction and outgoing reps of the losing parties[/b][/i]. [/quote]

[quote name='the rebel' timestamp='1332809027' post='2943519'] Corrected it for you [/quote] I like how you corrected the amount but not the part where "the other side lost more." So sure, let's make it billions. Let's make it trillions if you want. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisdisL3.jpg[/img]

[quote name='RePePe' timestamp='1332807120' post='2943503'] Not to input my own opinion but to rather clarify what I feel he was trying to say: His point was that if you take the reps gained and subtract the money sent by Umbrella to keep GOONS fighting, that it wasn't much of a victory financially for DH. Personally, I have no idea what either of those numbers are, so I can't say what the net financial loss/gain was. I'd be curious to know though if anyone has the stats. [/quote] Money to large nations is nothing. Tell Umbrella they lost some money and they're going to say "So?" Even if it was hundreds of millions, it's nothing to the destruction and outgoing reps of the losing parties. All wars result in losses on both sides. The real question is where the participating alliances are now in relation to one another. Do I need to mention which side had alliances disband, and which side is sporting a shiny new pip? [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerishehL7.jpg[/img]

Where do I sign up? What do I get for joining? If I join GOONs I get 3m in graduation aid. What do you offer? [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisdisL5.jpg[/img]

[quote name='Hiro Nakara' timestamp='1332791439' post='2943409'] Well clearly by the amount of views and responds, people have found it interesting.[/quote] People aren't reading this thread for the reason you think they're reading this thread. I personally rate this thread five stars. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisyayL1.jpg[/img]

[quote name='Canik' timestamp='1332748168' post='2943258'] Nah, Bob has at least another 3-4 years left at minimum. There will be enough time for people to seek retribution. It could be close enough to the end though that the relevance is debated, some of that has already happened actually. People debating the relevance, that is. Anywho, time will tell. [/quote] What kind of retribution are we talking? Do you mean Roguefest 2012, or Coalition vs GOONs 2? Because I'll take either. We could use a few billion more in reps. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerishehL1.jpg[/img]

[quote name='Aeros' timestamp='1332726217' post='2943130'] What happens if you tech raided a nation who was friends with the Emperor of the NPO (Hypothetically speaking). The Emperor, who sees this person every day, sends a couple thousand troops and a few million dongs to help his buddy. What now? Do you declare war on NPO and trigger a great power conflict right out the blue? With no consultation with your allies? [/quote] You speak about this hypothetical situation as if this is how it happened with MONGOLS. First of all, this friend was on either none or a 1-man AA (I forget which) with no indication that he was friends with anyone, much less MONGOLS. If this guy was a friend of theirs, they should've gone to any amount of effort to let it be known. Secondly, we didn't just go declare on MONGOLS. First we spoke to their gov. They backed the action and did not A) cast the person out as a rogue, or B) intend to do anything about it. As they have shown they're just reckless and would rather destroy all 40 of their nations than admit any wrongdoing. It doesn't matter if the rep amount is 1m or 18m (let's be honest, 18m is piddly pocket change which a single nation can complete in 10 days flat). So yes, we would declare on NPO given the following facts: 1) They sent aid to a nation we're at war with, especially if they sent soldiers and labeled it "war aid," 2) Their gov said their doing so is totally fine and sanctioned by their government, and 3) They flipped us the double deuce when we asked for compensation for aiding nations we're at war with. But you can fill in the word "NPO" and make it a blank space and it would apply to any alliance who does that to us. And to be honest, it kind of surprises me that people in this thread are saying they'd let people get away with it. Though I have low expectations of our detractors in the first place, so it doesn't really surprise me [i][b]that[/b][/i] much. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeris-_-L5.jpg[/img]

[quote name='Alterego' timestamp='1332613394' post='2942667'] If you behave like a spoilt kid on a power trip peoples attitude towards you reflects that. [/quote] [00:18:41] <%Beefspari> Also calling it now [00:18:50] <%Beefspari> Someone will say it's okay MONGOLS did that, since we "drove" them to it You people are so flipping predictable. Schat made a post about how we're "terrible people" and I showed that MONGOLS did much the same stuff that he condemned us for. But it's okay that [i][b]they[/b][/i] did it. I can't roll my eyes hard enough. And they were already rolled pretty hard when people said it was totally cool to aid people alliances are fighting. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeris9_9L1.jpg[/img]