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As far as I can tell, a few of the nugoons didn't like a comment made by a Farker that Fark has now outlasted two iterations of goons and decided to jump over to the oldgoons AA and attack us. Sadly, the few that jumped have almost no warchest, no interest in actually fighting with any intensity, and were all too small for our largest nations to have any fun. As for UE's request for assistance, I'm just an old fogey who had to clear the cobwebs off his throne in order to find the declare war button and have no idea who they talked to or what specifically they asked for.

I don't know that they'll face repercussions, per se. The physics of this world make such things less likely than they should be. They will likely realize at some point in the not terribly distant future that they were doing all of this to defend those that will most likely destroy them once the boredom sets in.

Cuba had 82,513.75 tech on 2015-01-22 and has 65,825.91 right now. Hime had 88,772.50 tech on 2015-01-23 and has 91,992.50 right now. Though, as oya stated, I'm not sure how many more nations WTF can even get into Cuba's range right now. They only have ~5 nations with enough tech to buy infra into range if they can afford it, and all the me-too's have done a good job of covering nations, so this is likely close to the end of the fireworks in the supertier.

In related news, Cuba has now dropped to #3 in tech and is dangerously close to #2 in NS.

I'm sorry, but this is cute. Are you really this delusional or are you just trying to showboat? I've seen the conversation where you said you were leaving XX and canceling all of the individual treaties. You knew you were about to be kicked out (and had already been told by Dajobo that he was canceling your Polar treaty) and "made the decision" to pretend like it was all your idea.

You're missing the point, I think. As far as I can tell, it's not about winning or losing to WTF. It's about maximizing the cost that DBDC (and especially Cuba) will pay for their attacks. In 49 days, Cuba went from 82.5k tech to 68.1k while constantly receiving 100 tech aid packages and stealing tech in GAs he can virtually never lose because of his land. Considering how large of a nation Cuba has and all of the mechanics help to ensure he will do more damage by a wide margin, WTF is succeeding in what I perceive to be their goal. Does that mean they're "winnning"? No, but I don't think I've seen anyone from WTF discuss winning.

As far as I can tell, WTF is succeeding in their goals. Not only have they have managed to consistently cause enough damage to Cuba for the past 49 days that his incoming tech/donations/GA wins are not enough to increase his tech levels, they've destroyed 14.4k of his tech. He has lost roughly 260 days worth of incoming tech so far. That's a pretty impressive accomplishment fighting against the strongest nation in the game with the second highest amount of tech. Yes, he's done *far* more damage to WTF than they've done to him. Their damage is spread across X nations, they can rebuild their tech X times faster than he can. They are also not the type to use their nation size to declare war on whoever they feel like whenever they feel like, so the damage done to Cuba is far more important to his foreign policy than theirs is. As for ODN's shenanigans and threats, I'd almost buy the "throw away comment by random member".. if their gov immediately corrected his statement in the embassy. I don't have an account on WTF's forums so I'm not sure if they did or not.

I don't think there was any consensus in that topic. Many members of the XX/TOP side of the war agreed that it was an act of war. Many members of the DoomSphere side of the war agreed that it was not an act of war. A nation who agreed that is war an act of war could continue to deal with WTF (or DBDC) and still not be a hypocrite. "Yes, it's an act of war.. I'm going to continue tech dealing" is a valid statement. A nation who agreed that it is not an act of war could not start attacking those dealing with WTF (or DBDC) and still not be a hypocrite. "No, it's not an act of war.. I'm going to declare on you for committing an act of war" is not a valid statement.

From an embassy where I railed against moving to 6/100s when they changed the aid limits. I'm by no means an expert on the math around here, but this was my best understanding at the time: With a 3/100 50 tech increment deal, there's somewhere between 26.6k-50k profit for the seller per slot-day. [table] [tr] [td]Cash[/td] [td]Tech[/td] [td]Days to complete[/td] [td]Profit per slot-day[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]6[/td] [td]100[/td] [td]20[/td] [td]187038.75-221017.49[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]6[/td] [td]200[/td] [td]30[/td] [td]49385-94689.99[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]12[/td] [td]200[/td] [td]40[/td] [td]187038.75-221017.49[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]12[/td] [td]300[/td] [td]50[/td] [td]104446.5-145220.99[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]12[/td] [td]400[/td] [td]60[/td] [td]49385-94689.99[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]12[/td] [td]500[/td] [td]70[/td] [td]10055.36-58596.42[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]18[/td] [td]300[/td] [td]60[/td] [td]187038.75-221017.49[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]18[/td] [td]400[/td] [td]70[/td] [td]128044.29-166877.14[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]18[/td] [td]500[/td] [td]80[/td] [td]83798.44-126271.87[/td] [/tr] [tr] [td]18[/td] [td]600[/td] [td]90[/td] [td]49385-94689.99[/td] [/tr] [/table] Assuming I'm not missing anything, it seems a 6/200 with 100 tech increments is significantly more profitable than a 3/100 ever was when you compare slot-day profits. Meaning a seller using all 5 (assuming no DRA) slots for 6/200s will make 7,407,750-14,203,495 every 30 days where they would've previously been making 4,000,000-7,500,000 every 30 days with 3/100s. Edit: apparently the table tags don't work here. Pretend that's a pretty table that's easy to read.

I must say, I'm quite confused about how WTF accepting CT changed *ANYTHING*. DBDC declared war on WTF. CT declared war on DBDC and joined WTF. There's been a mix of SPATR involved here and there, but honestly, certain SPATR nations seem to regularly get involved with DBDC's shenanigans without the target alliance doing anything to warrant it beyond existing.

You really are doing a poor job of representing your alliance right now. He was making a joke by doing exactly the same thing Finster did. Finster referred to an ex-emperor of NpO as the emperor, so he referred to an ex-president of IRON as the president.

:popcorn: Color me unsurprised.

There's much less drama in the logs of Sparta canceling their treaties with fark/polar/mha than there was in the logs posted.

I thought I did? I tried to be a bit more subtle about it, though. :P

Really? I would think this thread alone tells you a lot about where Sparta's head is at. //In changing their FA direction, obviously. ///What did you think I meant?