Hoping

I didnt actually notice that before, but its pretty incredible. He had AP, CJ and Rodgers who was one of the best values this year. But he did have the second lowest point total this season so he deserved to lose. As for the playoffs, I would have trash talked more earlier, since I am on an 8 game win streak and all...but I happened to be lucky enough to play against both Wayne and Austin this week...so I am already down by 40.

I should have never brought you two together. But way to have a backbone Athens. You have been allies and even in the same alliance with these guys yet you sign an ODP? For shame...

The fact that you don't want to? Meh guess thats your call. The fact that you don't think you need to? And that you like how its going? Disappointing. I am still a fan though. Dont get me wrong. Oh you have changed. Granted its easy to see from the outside. But true nonetheless. Londo has done a lot. But not a whole lot of good. He had that potential though. So disappointment. A few admitted, a lot denied. I think the mere fact that you are trying to dispute my disappointments is disappointing. I mean its not even for you to decide. Its my opinion.

I have thought about it...and I cant get around saying Athens in general. Rsox was a great small alliance leader. Blowing it now. Londo set up a great merger that has not kept its core values. Jgoods was a great potential leader under me at a time, but has yet to either have the backbone or the support to take over that alliance. Needs to happen soon. Runners up: Reyne: Become cool too late MHA: Oh how Rich, Jimmy K and Vinny P must be rolling in their grave.....

This man speaks the truth and all add in a new word. Hypocrisy.

Archon, Rsox and Flak attack: You all need to read more carefully. "Planned to end after one night" Did you all just skip over the words to end? Reading what you want to read huh? Thats fun. And if you seriously think I have an agenda in this game anymore, your very badly mistaken.

Well excuse me if I like to point out the hypocrisy in things. @SF: I had to do it the 101st. It is your number

Of course. Congrats. You made it far. But you went the way all people in power do when questioned. Comedic sarcasm. Thats my cue to leave. @Sith: Or am I fooling you into thinking I have been fooled? Ponder it.

How about if I get a group of nations in my alliance to do...whatever it is you did, (tech war?, tech raid?), on Athens? I would not declare it an alliance wide war on Athens. Does this trigger your defense part of your pact?

Your telling me it was planned to end after one night? And an alliance of your size...with another on your team, against a much smaller opponent? Yeah that can wreck some serious havoc. Oh so since he added others its ok? Speaking of, Londo knew he wronged all those people and just wanted until now when the public opinion of him dropped to apologize? That has PR stunt all over it and you know it. You accused us of something that would constitute as an attack in this world and give you and your allies a valid CB. You then shared that to our protectors, making them drop us. Now a small brand new alliance is accused of an attack on two alliances and it has no protector? Raid targets. Obviously we couldnt survive. Whats more is your little "frownie face" you keep bringing up? Bogus. You were under surrender terms. Yes. I know. But guess what that means? You have your weakened defenses, your allies defenses, and all those who you surrendered too that were then protecting you and their defenses, along with their allies defenses. That pretty much covered the entire game at the time. Dont tell me you were weak. Debatable. You picked on numerous alliances. Now what does that say about your alliance? The number two doesnt have to be aware for such a major event? You have no clue and your so against your number one's decisions? You blew it. And you have blown it before. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Some people fell for this second...or higher one. I did not. And i will not fall for it in the future, because im sure this isnt the last time.

Fool me once...

Stupid comp

Opportunistic bandwagoning? I am pretty sure Caesar and I talked negatively on Athens before many of these people were around. Certainly before whoever this new small alliance you decided to kill existed. The thing about apology threads? They are expected of you. It means nothing to me because one does it because he should. I am sure there are logs in channels, either with MK or Athens gov saying, "Hey guys do you think I should post this?" It wasnt on his own. It was basically forced by the public out cry. True or False: You accused Caesar of something that would validate the threat of killing our small alliance? True or False: Our alliance died because of those accusations? You, Caesar, Londo, and I all know the answer to both are true. Yet those accusations were false. You and Londo, as Athens gov have now shown it was not a one time thing. Seems you are making a habit of picking on the small alliances. I am not surprised about this new mistake of yours. No. However I am delighted to see this outcry has been taking publicly, like ours did. And I am surprised that this time it actually got support. Everyone should have seen it coming.

Why did you? I honestly don't know. You may have just wanted a rebound. Maybe you didn't like him. Whatever it was it was most certainly, and proven that it was not what you accused him of. Caesar did not change. He merely moved on from what you were killing for him. (Caesar probably went back to driving cross country. I'm honestly shocked he posted, and equally astonished I happened to check these boards right after he did so.)

I think you missed the part where I said it was not Athens muscle, but that of their leaders. While the alliance was under surrender terms, Londo and Rsox were still the leaders in charge.