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      Cyber Nations Forum Rules   07/03/2016

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      If you receive a 100% warn level on the forums, you will be subject to removal from the forums AND have your nation deleted and banned from the game at moderator(s) discretion.   If you are banned in the game, then you will be banned from the forums.   Process of Appeals
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  1. Yeah, we're a bit player in this so it's not that big of a deal to us to post every time we launch a few wars.
  2. This is what really counts. Seriously.
  3. We were directly triggered by the declaration and since we were asked to help, it was binding. It would have been preferable to reach a diplomatic settlement but AGW went ahead and declared. That's their right and I can respect them standing up for themselves, but our hand has been forced.
  4. Well, AZTEC directly made efforts to talk to MI6/TOP and convey it. in MI6's instance there was at least one time, it was Bob from DT and it was mediated by TSK's King, David. Here's the thing, the way you've always seen it is Umb is treacherous and will sell anyone out, but there are degrees between unconditional support and betrayal. There were a lot of things MI6 did that caused AZTEC to get their backs up but they weren't anti-MI6 to start with. Yeah I'm not disagreeing MI6 wasn't insanely active because you're mostly the active cores from other alliances/ex-govs/etc. It was a pretty interesting experiment and we signed MI6 because it had a lot of potential. It would have been tough to fight MI6 at higher levels, but the growth for many especially when many were still staying as tech farms wouldn't have been enough for numbers not to prevail.
  5. It was Gibsonator and it's stupid. Might as well talk about Monsters Inc or Invicta growing to be a statistical match for Umbrella. It wasn't going to happen. The point though is, it's moronic to openly talk about going after an alliance you share allies in common with when they are in more of a position to go after you. How you handled yourselves after the cancellation made it very easy to justify going after you. In fact, this kind of bravado shows why you were poor losers and probably would have been poor winners too. Well I already know how you are when you win, so it's not really a mystery. Given this kind of thinking has been openly contradicted by AZTEC officials and as far as I can recall no AZTEC AA officially hit TOP, you are wrong. You have no idea how much differently things could have turned out. Maybe you had your hopes for what the war would be, but at the time we signed DT/AB, most who were anti-TOP saw it as a pro-TOP move and were disappointed. The situation ended up deadlocking for quite a while even after some screw ups by Sparta/MI6/TOP. Like I said, I don't think any AZTEC AAs officially hit TOP. There were some alliances with grievances with TOP and there was a desire on others' parts to get it over with so we wouldn't get a rehash and it worked out that way.
  6. Given there were attempts to show MI6 our other allies didn't really want to fight MI6/TOP, it shouldn't have been too hard to believe that we had no interest in having our allies rolled. Typically, we pick the side where we have the most treaties but we were really standing in the way of a war happening out of a sense of duty for the longest time. If you assume the worst, sometimes you will make it come true. Besides had you played your hand differently, it could have just been eating one global war loss instead of three like in TOP's case. Um, MI6 was solidly mid tier and a decent chunk of you were just converted tech farms. It was never a sensible match-up, which is why you guys talking about coming after us was stupid after we dropped you and after taking a hit in the Kaskus war and just gave ammo to the "roll MI6" sentiment. It also made it easy for our mutual allies to drop you. Thanks for the bravado, though. There is a reason almost every other alliance except MI6 in your coalition was able to make FA progress.
  7. Nope. You didn't burn for anyone but yourselves. Don't try to put your beef with Kaskus on us. Had you escalated just to spite us, it wouldn't have done much for you. Us not wanting the war you're referring to stalled it for the longest time. It's hardly actively plotting for months when it only ends up happening when it does because you made cancelling the best option. You were warned about the consequences of your posturing and you continued to do it. You alienated the only pro-MI6 people we had including me and MrHiott. The distrust was palpable and you continued to double down on your scheming. Then the way you acted during the Kaskus war pushed it over the edge despite us having reason to cancel before. You were given too many chances. Anything between us after we dropped MI6 was in part a consequence of you taking the stance of "we'lll obliterate Umb." We don't take those things lightly. The problem is the other alliances who were in your position realized where they went wrong, but you always thought of yourselves as martyrs.
  8. The eclipse happened and the clause has been fulfilled. While it's sad to see Sengoku end, I am very happy to have these stellar people on board with us.
  9. Uh, I really don't remember that aside from NoCB where there were some in peace mode, which resulted in terms being on them, but that was 8 years ago at this point. They didn't really a lot of use peace mode in the other ones, which distinguished them from other alliances.
  10. To be fair, Letum served for well over a year until he faced the same kind of issues Frawley is facing now. Congratulations to Frawley, condolences to Lord of Darkness.
  11. The rate compounds the problem severely. The seller shortage isn't really there if you're particularly active but even an active person can't grow much with the 6m/100 movement taking hold. Basically, the resignation like you cited in the post "oh we can't keep up with free tech anyway, so let's just give up on trying to be efficient altogether and do 6m/100" is the reason why people are why they're at and they started it a lot earlier on with 3m/50 before the system change and continued it after, which is why the gap exists. You don't need to be competing with NPO directly because simply having more tech is good because more tech = more damage. A formidable group of nations that are putting effort into importation can have an impact in other NS ranges or they could bring bigger ones down. Giving up on tech importation being serious more or less with 9m/100 rates or whatever just is permanent resignation to not getting anywhere . They typically do if the person is aiming to become a buyer in the first place. There was a guy who did 6m/100 and then he found people who were willing to do 9m/100 and refused all other kinds of tech deals and it didn't take long for him to get 6k infra. The idea that people should buy all the wonders they can before becoming a buyer just means they'll be stunted when they graduate to buying. It's way too long of a period to wait. Only reason would be to stay permanently low tier because they know the tech buying rates will be bad, which is happening as many people will have a hard time reaching a decent amount of NS with slow tech accumulation. w
  12. If they want to get that far, they can. I wouldn't see much of a point to playing if you're not aiming for some long-term nation goals or giving stuff to other alliance mebers. There are fast ways to become a buyer if you can prove your reliability. There are still new nations being made currently and several major alliances had fairly high recruiting months earlier in the year. The contraction in population would be far steeper if there weren't a decent amount being made still. Perpetual sellers don't really need the money from tech sales as Blackatron brought up if they have sufficient infrastructure(which selling for a long time would get you the money for) as they would be making most of their money from collections. The point of being a perpetual seller could only conceivably to help the buyers in your alliance or your allies if that. The effect of the current system of 6m/100 rates is it just reduces the number of competitive alliances since no one doing 6m/100 will be able to compete with someone getting it for free or for 9m/300.
  13. It's not really entirely about the money and growth isn't necessarily good if you end up becoming a buyer and needing to spend money you should be using on your warchest/wonders on 6/100 or 9m/100 tech deals. The point though is the time, 6m/100 deals are inefficient for the buyer as they have to restart them every 20 days instead of 30. Even though there a lot of low tier alliances that push 6m/100, alliances with plenty of internal sellers still do them at 6m/200 and 9m/300 rates or supply their nations for free. All the 6m/100 campaigning does is only make the gap bigger between alliances that have free tech set-ups or 6m/200 internal rates and those that don't. It also means sellers will grow out of selling range faster and have less people to buy from. Of course, the trend is that a lot of people aren't using tech deals as a way to become buyers themselves, but rather just staying sellers and low tier permanently. This creates a problem for anyone who is a buyer and anyone who wants to become one as they are more or less forced to play ball within this 6m/100 system. Long-term, a seller will benefit from better rates when they become a buyer rather than better rates when they are a seller. Yeah, if someone is staying small perpetually, the rate shouldn't matter or they should be giving it away.
  14. I don't think that's what I said. I said it'd be quite some time at current rates. Also you are talking about a year+ in terms of time. I love the mentality btw. "I can't win here so I'll go somewhere where I can be on top."
  15. Ayy lmao. I don't know of any political grudges being brought into cn. I've just seen an alliance that people already had issues with get attacked A lot of people have been saying that, but CN had 42 players sign up yesterday. Most other games will never even reach CN's peak numbers or even half of it and usually have poor retention all on their own. CN has been declining, but alternatives have continuously failed to overtake it. At current rates, it'll be quite some time.