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Rebel Virginia

A Message to CN

I am relevant and very important. Please believe me when I say this. After all, it was I who triumphed over the Alaskan Border Patrol in 2007, and it was I who initiated the events that led to the Family's demise in 2009. Or was it 2010? 2011?

I am Rebel Virginia, and I am still relevant. Never forget.

Rebel Virginia

But bah, a worthless Xiphy apologist isn't worth my time. I've got better things to do with my time than talk to walls.

Phew ... *wipes brow* ... I was worried you were going to continue to incorrectly recount history and rail on about all the things Xiphosis might have accomplished if he actually had power or influence. Bye.

Source: Open Invitation from the SuperFriends

I list misdeeds and crimes committed by GOD, and you continue to make excuses about how such actions were justified. Oh well, live in your blissful wonderland where Xiphy can do no wrong. But know that outside SF and XX the rest of the world disagrees, and in the end perception truly is all that matters. While Xiphy and his followers may have convinced themselves his actions were valid, many more of us find his doings to be unacceptable. Continuing to spout nonsense about why you feel yourselves to be right is not going to help you, and will only make us despise you more. SF, image is all that matters. NPO never learned that lesson, and it would appear that you haven't either.

And Krack, you asked who I am to feel I have the right to spout anything about Karma and what it stood for. Well, who I am is one of the founders of Vox Populi, which without most none of you would never have found the courage to ever move against NPO. You would do well to remember that.

Rebel Virginia

Purple Prose

Until the Legion is rolled I shall be forsaking my blue in favor of purple. I know this will pain you as much as it will pain me. May the return of blue serve as a motivation for us all to roll and be rid of Legion.

That will be all.

Rebel Virginia

Lest there be any confusion, the acronym "TLR" refers to the alliance known as "The Last Remnants," whereas the letters "tLR" refers to the little group of Legion lovers known as "the Last Republic."

I understand that some people, namely tLR, have as of late denied this simple truth, so let it be known now. The rest of the world, for the most part (tLR being the major exception) thinks of The Last Remnants when they see "TLR." "tLR," or the Last Republic, is mainly an afterthought. It is ever thought about at all it is due sometimes to their being the mini-Legion, but mainly because they happen to share an acronym with The Last Remnants. If it were not for TLR, no one would care about tLR. In fact, nobody does care about tLR.

That will be all.

Rebel Virginia

Based on recent reports of the inadequacy of Legion, I figure Legion might be smart to appoint Ivan Moldavi as its director of trades, replacing the current one. A certainly clueless man for a cluelessland.

This fellow I just don't think is a good example of a military commander, and he is their Deputy Centurion. Laughable.

Rebel Virginia

Testimonials

I am truly, truly shocked that I ever thought of you as anything less than a god on our humble little planet. I love you.

As you can clearly see, this man is quite satisfied with the Rebel Virginia brand. Share your stories! Let the world know why you always choose Rebel Virginia above the rest.

Source: Declaration of War

Rebel Virginia

OMG! A boy! And on the internet too! What a highly unusual thing. Who would have ever expected such an unexpectable thing to happen? Well, I can't say I can provide pics. I just hope you believe me. Anyway I really hope you guys won't treat me any differently than you would otherwise, and I don't want to be treated otherwise. I'm not pointing out my boyishness for attention or anything. Believe me. That is the last thing I'd ever want to do. I just thought you'd want to know that I'm a boy. And on the internet too! Anyway, I'm going soon. I'll be back again tomorrow to remind you that I'm a boy in case you forget. *giggles*

Rebel Virginia

Decline of MK

Today Rebel Virginia was elected by a large margin MK's Pollmaster. What does it mean for MK to have this position held by an outsider? Has MK given up much of its sovereignty to MK with this act? Is there such a talent drain in MK that it is unable to produce its own Pollmasters? FOR LOVE OF GOD SOMEBODY TELL ME!!!

Rebel Virginia

I just nuked the President of Invicta. It has made my joining GOONS worthwhile. I can only hope that some members of Legion will leave peace mode before the end of April. That will make my experience complete. Please do not let me down Legion.

Rebel Virginia

Ecce Homo, I

Why I Am So Great

It is a matter of simple fact that I am one of the few Greats to remain. Yes, there are others. You know their names, and you also know whether you are among the ranks of the Great Ones or merely deluding yourself into thinking yourself among us. No, there are but a few true Greats, and you, most likely, are not one of them. For those who are truly Great do not need to read this to understand why I am the best.

Now, I will address one common rebuttal to my Greatness. One used by lesser men, mind you, reader: I have never been the leader of an alliance. This is both technically incorrect, and factual. I was, and still am, and will soon again be the God Emperor of the Federated Allied Independence League, also known as FAIL. However, I will concede that I have never led an alliance such as CSN or RIA or GATO. I do not lower myself to that level of significance. Such governing posts are beneath my status.

I am not a politician. I do not waste my time pandering to the horde of insignificants to gain temporary position. I am a leader, and I do not need a title. But what makes me a leader? When I bring FAIL into the world, do I attract hordes of people like Moldavi or Hoo? No.

Then how can I possibly be great you ask? Because I am the inspiration for the lesser greats. Two NSO emperors have idolized me. I have been idolized by several Regents of the NpO. I am a symbol of hope for countless. Back when the NPO's tyranny was at its worse, for many I was one of the few faint lights that still remained in the darkness. To this day I remain a symbol of hope and things decent for the new oppressed. My strength and conviction of character and principle are inspiring yet another generation of lesser greats to rise to the challenge of freedom. When they waver, when they are in doubt, they need turn only to me and they know what they do is Right. I am the wind that will lift them to greater heights.

So, insignificants, do not hamper me with trivialities. You politicians at the heads of CSN or RnR have not an iota of Greatness in your entire being so much as I do in a hangnail.

I am and always will be the embodiment of all that is Good and Right in this world. I do proclaim that I am its very soul!

Rebel Virginia

I must say that this is an alliance lacking in style. In fact, I would go so far to say that it gets quite old quite fast. With this is mind I would like you all to take a moment of your time to remember FAIL, and how much better it was than Dark Lords. Or Sparta for that matter.

Thank you.

Rebel Virginia

It seems that I am a rather misunderstood individual. People question my motives. Allow me to explain. Allow me to better acquaint myself with you.

I am a man who has always had a firm sense of justice. I am a man who opposes tyranny in whatever form it may take. It used to be the NPO, and before that the UjP, and before that the once dominant League and CoaLUEtion, who opposed bringing to justice those guilty of grievous moral crimes. So you see, I am not loyal to any one side or alliance. I am the loyal and ever present companion of Justice.

And who better to serve justice than the downtrodden? That is why I oppose whoever is in power. For those in power will always abuse it, so it is the oppressed and downtrodden masses who will correct that wrong.

Why must I take up this burden? Because I am one of the few the the fortitude and sense of righteousness needed to take up such a noble endeavor. While lesser men would always pick the winning battles, I instead opt for the losing ones. The impossible battles. Every enemy I have vowed to destroy has meant its demise, but never by my hand. I merely set into play the motions leading to their downfall before joining their side. For soon they will be the ones needed my righteous hand.

It could be said that my support is an omen of doom. Perhaps that is true. But rest assured, it is only because the power that you wielded will soon be used against you. You can count on my support in your defense, however. I, your protector, your savior.

Now you understand why I do the things that I do. Because someone must, and only I have what it takes. Justice will always prevail, and I am its embodiment.

Rebel Virginia

Now I hate to pull an AUT here, but I can't help but notice that NationRuler has been following me around like a sad puppy lately crying about how awful I am. Now I have noticed that this fellow has a bit more hate for me than the rest of CSN. I also notice this guy is rather new, well, seemingly, only getting his start in late 2009.

So I've done some thinking, and it made since. NationRuler for nation ruler, and NationName for nation name.... That is the kind of gag that a CN player would come up with. One that had previously played that is. Furthermore, the type of grudge NationRuler seems to have against me is the kind that only someone I've wronged would have. It isn't some passive dislike, but an active hatred. NationRuler is someone out for revenge.

You must understand why I am curious. I wish to know who is pretending to be this NationRuler character. Which of my enemies of my past is so afraid to reveal himself? NationRuler, you have nothing to be afraid of. The days of PZI and chasing rerolls is long gone. So tell me NationRuler, who's reroll are you?

Also, fellow, since I remember you saying at least a week ago that you couldn't wait for me to leave RIA so you could nuke me. Well, I've left RIA. I am sure you know how to find me. Let's see if you have the fortitude to follow through, although considering which alliance you are in I honestly doubt that you do. But here's to hoping.

If it is any help I'll give you a bit of an incentive. If you best me I will tell you who's reroll I am, but if you fail, well, then you tell me exactly what I want to know. A fair deal if I've ever known one.

Rebel Virginia

Well since it seems my appearance in Sparta's treaty announcement caused quite the stir, I suppose now is as good a time as any to remind all of you why you need me. Quite simply, you all are so dreadfully boring. Really, what would you do without me? So, how about you take a moment to give me your love, or your hate. It doesn't matter which. I thrive on both. And let us reflect on the moments all of us have had to together, and how you wouldn't trade away the precious little time you had with me for the entire world.

Is this blog entry not what you expected? Are you disappointed that is just more self-love from me? Well, if you are, then you must have come in expecting something different. How foolish of you.

Rebel Virginia

Realizing that I have done all that I can for Rome (the must do things their way) I have decided to set myself on the right path. I have joined the RIA. I am sure they will appreciate all that I have to offer them.

Now, I don't expect much from this. I am not here to offer lengthy essays. This is merely a collection of every action I take, no matter how insignifcant. I just know you want to know.

For the record I am also breathing. Yes, I am truly fascinating.

But yes, as I have said in my title, since I am now a member of the Superfriends I can only consider myself their friend. I am now pro-SF and anti-NSO. Sorry guys, but I have seen the light.