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No Great Leaders

Posted by Big Ego , 21 June 2013 · 833 views

So, I know we've all heard Starfox say it, and I believe I've heard
it echoed by a few others in recent times. All the great leaders are
gone! There are no statesmen left! Without them, nothing can change.

It's true, most of the great iconic leaders in Planet Bob's history are long
gone, never to return. Only a few remain, and their involvement is
minimal. Of course, it wasn't just the great leaders, a lot of people
left. I believe our world's population was nearly 50,000 at it's peak,
how many of those were great and iconic leaders? A dozen? Two dozen?
Let's go ahead and assume there were about 50. That's what, .1%? Yes,
point one percent. Oh, but there were many who were just semi-famous,
but still really good leaders you say? Well, whatever. Let's say there
was 2000 respectable leaders, that's still just 4%.
 
Now there are only 11,398 current active nations on Planet Bob. I think it's
safe to say the leader to nation ratio hasn't changed much. I do not
think it is a lack of intelligent, creative and ambitious leadership
that is the cause of the perpetual, slow decline of our population. No
one has it harder than the leaders of today. In the beginning new
nations flooded in with ease, now they trickle in. Planet Bob itself was
constantly evolving, new technologies brought us nukes, wonders, spies,
navy and more, now we struggle to find room for improvement. Where once
there was enthusiasm there is now gloom and doom.

Yet, despite it all, we have slowed the bleeding. You might, rightfully, credit this
in part to us simply hitting a wall, but it is also in part thanks to
the hard work of many nations, putting in the hours trying to recruit
new nations, and keep the ones we've got. If you want to turn this slow
bleed into a recovery, I suggest you find those nations who are still
active, enthusiastic, and ambitious and join them. Be the change you
want to see in the world. If there is any chance for any level of
recovery, that is it, it certainly isn't sitting around and complaining
about how things used to be.
 
tl;dr There are still people out there making an effort, quite a few of them in fact, and those people will make an impact in the these later years of Planet Bob, but if you want real recovery, you're going to have to really pitch in.




Great Leaders are a ticket to most alliances that must endure them having crappy stats. After six-seven years of build up, anyone that has the cojones to do this either has crappy nations or has very nice nations they really can't be assed to throw on the fire.

Even big nations get bored, and can be motivated under the right circumstances, and small nations can still make a significant impact. There is some truth to you words, Auctor, but overall don't you think it's a rather pessimistic view?

 

We have to be more like Han Solo, don't tell us the odds, we're going into that damn asteroid field. If we don't, the Empire will catch us for sure.

I think the common notion that leaders have gotten progressively worse throughout CN history is an exaggeration. And it can be realized in the context where the bemoaning of the lack of leaders is almost always mentioned - in OWF threads where people are campaigning against their rivals. It's easy to insult enemy leadership when comparing it to a ghost of the past that can't be proved or disproved. And once it's said over and over enough, the idea sticks beyond just rhetoric. I don't believe much of it beyond the obviously logical decline in general CN population, that leads obviously to an absolute decrease in the amount of "potentially excellent" leaders, but not to a relative decrease as a percentage of total nations.

If anything, as one would assume less dedicated players should delete at higher rates than more dedicated players, the leader to nation ratio should be rising. There are other factors at work inhibiting real movement, many of them completely unchangeable to us (game mechanics et al.) or ones we wouldn't want to change (I don't want to spend 40-hour weeks playing CN, do you?).

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Gingervites
Jun 21 2013 11:49 PM

No the leaders are fine, more likely everyone is too big and everyone knows everyone. 

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Captain Marin
Jun 22 2013 01:09 AM

For one to be a great leader, he/she needs to be a great follower as well. The reason why there aren't as many "great" leaders within the borderlines of Planet Bob is because one needs to achieve much to earn that position they desire. And to be honest, Bob has never had any "great" leaders at all. Wanna-bes, yes, but not any great that I have heard of. If there is one person that comes along and achieves to have this Cyberverse kneeling before them, then my opinion at that will change.

For one to be a great leader, he/she needs to be a great follower as well. The reason why there aren't as many "great" leaders within the borderlines of Planet Bob is because one needs to achieve much to earn that position they desire. And to be honest, Bob has never had any "great" leaders at all. Wanna-bes, yes, but not any great that I have heard of. If there is one person that comes along and achieves to have this Cyberverse kneeling before them, then my opinion at that will change.

Blaspheming against Dilber will not be tolerated.
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Master Hakai
Jun 22 2013 03:01 AM

I am a great leader, but lack the time and desire to do any significant leading. thanks for making a post about me though buddy I appreciate it :)

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Emperor Marx
Jun 22 2013 04:16 AM

If anything, as one would assume less dedicated players should delete at higher rates than more dedicated players, the leader to nation ratio should be rising. There are other factors at work inhibiting real movement, many of them completely unchangeable to us (game mechanics et al.) or ones we wouldn't want to change (I don't want to spend 40-hour weeks playing CN, do you?).

 

HeroofTime tried this, ask him how it went!

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Boogeyman657
Jun 22 2013 02:31 PM

i miss slayer99

 tl;dr There are still people out there making an effort, quite a few of them in fact, and those people will make an impact in the these later years of Planet Bob, but if you want real recovery, you're going to have to really pitch in.

 

Sure, there are plenty of those types of people in established alliances and new ones alike. The former have a low amount of leadership changes to new faces and when it happens they wish to keep the status quo. The latter mostly have difficulty of making an impact due to small gains in recruiting with soo much demand over the supply of nations and often stay insignificant or give up and get obsorbed into a larger alliance.

We'll see, shan't we?

For one to be a great leader, he/she needs to be a great follower as well. The reason why there aren't as many "great" leaders within the borderlines of Planet Bob is because one needs to achieve much to earn that position they desire. And to be honest, Bob has never had any "great" leaders at all. Wanna-bes, yes, but not any great that I have heard of. If there is one person that comes along and achieves to have this Cyberverse kneeling before them, then my opinion at that will change.

 

I would say that Moo fits this description.

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Ubuntu the Great
Jun 23 2013 09:34 AM
Hilow. You have forgotten the greatest leader of all time....me. It is I Ubuntu the Great leader of the Zulu alliance. I have all knowledge and all power. I shall save planet Bob! All must join the Zulu f you wish a magnificent leader.
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PhilipBegger
Jun 23 2013 03:08 PM

Hilow. You have forgotten the greatest leader of all time....me. It is I Ubuntu the Great leader of the Zulu alliance. I have all knowledge and all power. I shall save planet Bob! All must join the Zulu f you wish a magnificent leader.

Is it sad I was actually gonna post this?

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katashimon13
Jun 23 2013 05:13 PM

all hail ubuntu!

 

rawr

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Tom Marvolo Riddle
Jun 24 2013 07:37 AM

Really, are you forgetting me?

 

I am creative and ambitiuos.

 

And intelligent when I want to be.

 

Look, leadership is about creativity in war, treatys and management. I have been in alliances like Nordreich which micro manage the !@#$ out of you and then alliances like Dark Templar who could care less about you.

 

Very few alliances have found a balance. The ones who have won the war.

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Subcomandante VL
Jun 26 2013 06:30 AM

His Eminence Ubuntu is the only so-called "Great Leader" that I, for one, have ever encountered. All should strive to walk the enlightened path of the great Zulu.

People saying that are oft jaded old timers. Sure, we lost people like Moo, ES and co. But the next generation (Archon, Xiph...) was great. And the following one is showing great prospects. The difference is 1. we've tried pretty much everything in this game. It's stale and it's very difficult to find something new to do; 2. there are a lot of subpar wannabes who are attention whoring like there's no tomorrow in hopes of making a name for themselves but, in the end, bring very little (Ubuntu, Tom Marvolo Riddle, Rotavele, d34th, SCY...)

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AlmightyGrub
Jun 29 2013 01:24 AM

There is little incentive to be a ''great'' leader anymore.  The same results can be achieved by formula now.  Anyone who is innovative is quickly bought back to the mediocrity that slimes its way across the world.  The world is not what it used to be, the member nations are not what they used to be and nothing much is going to change unless people apply themselves to a greater effort.

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