The Pacific Press

It's amazing the Karma leaders and footsoldiers can even find the confidence to fight this war with such little understanding of military strategy. Peace mode is a viable tactic, it's not cowardice, but trying to paint it like it is makes you look even more silly than you already look.

Didn't stop you from threatening perma-ZI to GATO nations who used it, right?

It is cowardice when you have "bank nations" who stay in peace mode the entire war and lots of nations going into it with few coming out. Cycling in and out and one thing and a legitimate tactical strategy, staying there indefinitely is not.

They got terms imposed if they stayed in peace just as we have. They complied, we did not, what's the issue here?. They could have easily said "No" just as we have. They chose not to. Get over yourself.

Your terms were absolutely absurd, ours are not. You also didn't do it after weeks of numerous nations hiding in peace mode that clearly weren't there for any military purpose.

But the principle remains the same. Spin it all you want , you are doing the exact same thing. I believe your moral high ground just crumbled around you. Please feel free to rebuttle what is here, the principle cannot be broken.

night everyone. this sick jew needs bed rest

It's amazing the Karma leaders and footsoldiers can even find the confidence to fight this war with such little understanding of military strategy. Peace mode is a viable tactic, it's not cowardice, but trying to paint it like it is makes you look even more silly than you already look.

Didn't stop you from threatening perma-ZI to GATO nations who used it, right?

It is cowardice when you have "bank nations" who stay in peace mode the entire war and lots of nations going into it with few coming out. Cycling in and out and one thing and a legitimate tactical strategy, staying there indefinitely is not.

They got terms imposed if they stayed in peace just as we have. They complied, we did not, what's the issue here?. They could have easily said "No" just as we have. They chose not to. Get over yourself.

Your terms were absolutely absurd, ours are not. You also didn't do it after weeks of numerous nations hiding in peace mode that clearly weren't there for any military purpose.

But the principle remains the same. Spin it all you want , you are doing the exact same thing. I believe your moral high ground just crumbled around you. Please feel free to rebuttle what is here, the principle cannot be broken.

Your broadening the principle so much that it makes it it meaningless. The principle that punishment can be good or not is not the issue here, PROPORTIONALITY is the issue.

Just because it's wrong to give someone the death penalty for theft doesn't mean it's wrong to give them decades in prison for attempted murder.

I fully expect to be ignored on this yet again by y'all because of your vain hopes that if you shout "you're as bad as us!", people might start believing it just because you say it a lot, even if it ignores all reason.

Last I knew the term Karma wasn't all encompassing. Better terms than perma-ZI for those nations, I must say. Save all the "you are just as bad as us!" crap. Justice and fairness isn't about never having any punishments at all, it's about making them reasonable and proportional. You started an aggressive war knowing it's implications and who it would bring in. I am shedding few tears over the result.

Uh, if NPO has all the good strategists, why are they in the position they are in now? We are in a position of strength.

So it's justice when you do it, but evil and cruel when we do it? Oh how many times this kind of hypocrisy has been exposed!

If you say it enough times the lie will be correct, right?

This isn't comparable because

1) Some extra money/tech is a whole lot less harsh than perma-ZI

2) YOU STARTED THIS WAR WITH AN AGGRESSIVE DECLARATION, so the punishment is fitting the crime.

Your trying to say we are doing the "same" thing as you is like 40 years in prison for attempted murder is the same as execution for petty theft. One is proportional, the other is not.

Exactly how does declaring war on an alliance in which a member of government conspired with the Blackstone Collusion fit this kind of "punishment." Enlighten me.

I believe as Moo put it, every alliance accepts information.

But not every alliance is bedfellows with an internationally known spy ring.

If we are to go down, we will not go down without a fight.

This seems to fly in the face of the large peace mode contingent you're maintaining.

It is quite interesting how 'Karma' has become a self-appointed Judge, Jury and Executioner and is able to unilaterally define the rules of the game in a way that makes their revanchism "Justice" and everything else as pure evil.Frankly, you are doing nothing more than looking out for your interests in the most vicious way possible and dressing it up in a wrapping of transparent faux "morality" inflamed by the thirst of revenge.Tell me, where exactly in your absolute morality do crimes like tech-raiding and nuclear first strikes stand? Or maybe Karma is planning on giving Polaris back its tech?Oh sorry, I forgot. You have the "right" to make different rules about yourselves, and different ones for everyone else. By your rules, all the alliances that fought against GOONS, FAN and Polaris were secretly controlled by a man behind a computer screen, and thus all their "guilt" can be projected onto the evil Pacific which obviously masterminded everything. By your rules, the people who got blood tech from BLEU for alleged bullying of a variety of people (from the Unjust Path to the Citadel) can then turn around and claim that claiming that blood tech was in fact bullying - but only for the NPO. That collaboration with a spy ring and triple-chaining optional aggression pacts are in fact defensive actions - so long as it is a Karma alliance doing it. I find it sad that whilst Karma claims to be the inevitable force of history, they have not learnt its lesson. With all your double standards, you will end up destroying yourselves. And we'll just have to sit at the sidelines and laugh.

Karma, what goes around comes around, remember GATO? I can assure you a lot of people do.

These terms are amazing and exactly what Pacifica deserves for all it has done.

It's also good to see that the Non Government Pacifican members still have the intelligence of a rock from their responses.

It's amazing the Karma leaders and footsoldiers can even find the confidence to fight this war with such little understanding of military strategy. Peace mode is a viable tactic, it's not cowardice, but trying to paint it like it is makes you look even more silly than you already look.

Didn't stop you from threatening perma-ZI to GATO nations who used it, right?

It is cowardice when you have "bank nations" who stay in peace mode the entire war and lots of nations going into it with few coming out. Cycling in and out and one thing and a legitimate tactical strategy, staying there indefinitely is not.

First there is a way of "acting honourable". Now we have to fight according to your standards as well. Would you like my password as well?

The point is we want those nations to fight at all. Indefinite peace mode isn't a strategy for fighting.

You defended it when FAN did it. Now maybe some of you are seeing why I warned you that you were heading for eternal war. You're making the exact same mistake that NPO made with FAN.

I bet all of the alliances that agreed to terms that prohibit them from declaring war for the duration of the Karma War are feeling a bit nervous about their ability to defend their allies right around now.

FAN had no reason to expect peace.

That's arguable, but the clear similarity here is: FAN didn't expect peace. NPO doesn't either. You guys just demanded an extra 25K tech per day they're in the war.... !

I should create a script to keep count of how high the reps and days of peace terms, added on, will be. It should be intresting, i do not say i support anyone, but i still think it will be intresting none the less.

The fact that NPO remains so obssesed with protecting their bank nations demonstrates well how their knowledge of CN strategy is still firmly rooted in the reality of 2007. Just as they bragged about the massive economic growth caused by the total ignorance of warchests now they brag about the might of an obsolete institution.

The longer they go hippie the smaller their warchests get. I am fine with it.

The longer you fight us, the smaller your will becomes. I look forward to your surrender.

Please give me whatever you are smoking.

Also

Goodbye

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This wouldn't be the reason NPO is posting in blogs instead of the big boards, eh?

Let's not forget the honor those alliances in Karma such as Poison Clan, who while their supposed allies are still fighting, have chosen to raid red.

Go after them then. Enforce your Revenge Doctrine.

This kindler, gentler, moral Planet Bob you are attempting to create will remove the only sanctuary for nations who do not wish to participate in war. Sounds rather oppressive to me.

Nations wanting avoid war HAD a sanctuary. There once was a large alliance on Green. Largest in the game actually. Then one day they got attacked with a very shaky CB. Sounds rather oppressive indeed.

Goodluck positioning yourself in a stupid position.

You could've had peace in 2/3 weeks. Now it will take a lot longer.

I don't think I can see a CN with NPO in peace mode...

FAN-esque stamina and resourcefulness NPO does not have...

It is for this that I think NPO should just bite the bullet and release peace mode nations...yeah it will hurt but I doubt NPO has what it takes to keep up an indefinate war...

Just my opinion ofcourse.

It's amazing the Karma leaders and footsoldiers can even find the confidence to fight this war with such little understanding of military strategy. Peace mode is a viable tactic, it's not cowardice, but trying to paint it like it is makes you look even more silly than you already look.

You are aware that your leaders told everyone time and time again that peace mode is cowardice when they engaged alliances that used that tactic, right?

Hail Gen Lee and his glorious vision!

Not even the vaunted hippy shield will save the cowards now.

Your terms were absolutely absurd, ours are not.

Your terms are not absurd? Threatening to add numbers to an as of yet undecided number that you can pull out of thin air at a later date, if we don't jump off a cliff? These are historically unprecedented in their absurdity. So absurd that there isn't even a hint that there would be a gain for us if we complied.

These terms, along with the rapidly changing language of Karma (as it sways back and ever more forth from 'moral' justification to power-political justification), demonstrates well the real reasoning behind this war -- the removal of a political competitor for the Karma elite.

B for effort, D for content.

People's memories aren't that short. If you continue to elect to decline peace conditions it will be a long time before the victim card picks up much traction.

You still think you're going to win?

LOL

And if you expect to be able to hide a large part of your strength in peace mode and receive peace, then that is not going to happen. A war is fought to defeat an enemy, not to let him come back straight away because he didn't fight. Most of your nations now in the top 100 have not cycled, they have stayed in peace mode for the duration, and that is cowardly and hypocritical – and leaving them there and giving you peace is stupid.

Pacifica you fail to grasp a little irrelevant thing called "context." In the past when you imposed harsh terms it was over bull@#$% reasons. Karma's CB is solid. Had we schemed and created a CB out of nothing for you, then imposed harsh terms, and only then, would we be anything like you. Harsh terms are not the issue; CBs, yours in the past and ours now, are what really matters.

Also I hail you for your courage to hunker down and fight for the next X number of years. Its certainly better than accepting terms.

My, how quickly your stances change.

Nothing changed. Had NPO only declared war because of valid reasons it wouldn't be so hated. Ah well you guys are apparently quite intent on not learning anything in all of this. One can tell that the NPO membership is generally quite deranged by all of the comments to the effect of "karma must be getting desperate." LOL.

So declaring war against an alliance that confessed to conspiring with Blackstone Collusion, an espionage ring, and then refusing to punish their member is invalid?

What?

All I can say is duh. Duh Karma doesn't actually believe in all that justice stuff, it is revenge, plain and simple. However, you're forgetting that this is CN, and in CN everything must have a legitimate face. The NPO must know this, they have gone through painstaking lengths to try and find a valid CB rather than just saying "we're bored and we don't like you and we need some more free tech, so we're attacking you." Instead they always go on about how they are doing the honorable thing, that they are just and mighty. This is the truth of it, and you are finally getting a taste of your own medicine, and it makes me laugh that you don't even realize it.

As for you still saying you're going to actually win this fight, that just shows ignorance, and such a swollen ego that you can't see past it to reality. I know most of you don't have this mindset, but you certainly have members that are convinced you are winning. For this amazing feat I commend you. You have amazing propaganda machines. You also keep telling yourselves Karma is scared. Scared of having enough people that they only have to attack once every few months and still keep most of NPO in war. And all the while, carry on as if they aren't even at war since you obviously can't attack anymore. That's a really scary prospect. I just can't bear to see my beautiful pixels take that kind of a hit.

Also, you fail to see how karma is karma. What goes around, comes around. This includes all the !@#$%*ing about peace mode, I didn't see you calling it a viable tactic when you had the upper hand. In reality, it is a viable tactic, but once again, you're forgetting that this is CN. In CN that doesn't matter. Morale and the mindset to keep yourself believing that you're doing the right thing, and that your enemies are all chickens is even more important than almost anything else. NPO should know this well. They have consistently shelled out propaganda about "protecting CN from the hippie menace" and other anti-peace mode propaganda.

This seems to fly in the face of the large peace mode contingent you're maintaining.

It's called "bank nations" and "nations re-arming."

Gee, I think I mentioned somewhere previously that only 30% total is in peace mode. No comments on the other 70%, eh? Don't worry, we'll fix that selective memory for you right in a jiffy!

Karma, what goes around comes around, remember GATO? I can assure you a lot of people do.

Karma, what goes around comes around, you guys sure picked a name guaranteed to backfire on you in a most spectacular fashion.